NC State and Tuohy will not win Nationals (OK State and Valby will)

They barely won over Notre Dame.

Times are nice but going all out for times is a good way to burn out even on fast, flat courses. Was eight seconds faster than Chelangat and that is a helpful frame of reference. Tuohy beat Chelangat by 12 seconds.

NcSt is looking vulnerable but they are still the slight favorite if Starliper runs. Hopefully was just a bad race for Seymour. Bush ran intelligently.

that wasnt even their national line up(best line up) but if thats what u think then ok ~ let it be

katelyn has only been running on hilly courses with cold weather, valby been running on warm and flat courses

cant wait for them to race each other thoooo

It is going to be a great race. I honestly feel that Tuohy, Valby, and possibly McCabe, will gap the field and then the strongest kick will win. My pick for the overall top 3 is Tuohy, McCabe, and Valby. Roe was strong today also.

The team race is going to have a lot more suspense. I hope that Starliper is available and that Bush has some consistency.

Don’t forget about rauber!

I agree that NC State was surprising this morning, and mostly not in a good way. I just feel like I have too many questions to make any solid predictions about the team race at this point. Will Marlee be able to run (at least mostly healthy) at nationals? Did Henes give her athletes any special instructions today that may have accounted for the lackluster showing from some of them? For instance, did she tell any of them to practice starting slow and moving up gradually, and they didn't get it right? And lastly, who will be on the back end of their line-up in Stillwater? It had been looking like Mareno and Howlett were their solid 6 and 7, but could Rauber or Quarzo replace Howlett after today? Or even replace Seymour? It will be interesting to see which 7 they run at Regionals.

I've followed running at various levels for awhile now, but I'm typically not a huge fan of any one team. However, I have developed a soft spot for both the NCSU and UNM teams, just because they're both so deep that even making their top 7 requires women to be way stronger athletes than they'd have to be at other schools. It must be great to have so many excellent training partners, but I imagine it's also tough to be as good as some of these women are and still not earn a place to run on the national stage during cross country season.

brooke rauber absolutelyn saved nc state today ... their winning streak *almost* ended

imagine if brooke runs like that and marlee runs too and sydney finally gets a good day ... nc state surely wont look as vulnerable as we think they are now

there has just not been a race that all nc state runners ran good together and has a good day after their home course meet (adidas xc)

hopefully they all have a great day at stillwater

Tuohy just ran 19:08 6k on a hilly course. Is that 'just fair' in XC terms?

No shade to tyynismaa, but she ran 19:06 on the sec course and 3 women went sub 19. Every single woman in the top 6 pr'd, most by around a minute or more.

No way that SEC was a legit 6k course today.

I think NC will show better at Nationals...obviously if Starliper is able to run, and if Seymour has a better race. But they are vulnerable...as many have said all year long. And several other teams have a strong top 3 or 4 now.

I agree Valby looks good...but 'running fair times' is really a lazy and unnecessary insult to Tuohy. We all know better.

McCabe looks great after todays race, as does Roe. I wouldn't say they 'outkicked' Cook...Cook simply could not hang with the talent in front of her. She has shown little progress since the first race...thats not an insult to Cook, she still is in the elite of the XC...but way too much hype after her first race.

ND is a pancake.

I love a good head-to-head.

Awesome rivalry hopefully we'll get to see more of.

nuttycombe had dozens of rolls and hills

and panorama falls was HILLY ASF

when katelyn ran a flat course she easily ran 15:50 and dropped chelangat in the last kilometer by almost 12 seconds

*If* the times today were real, Chelangat split 15:31 at 5k, 30 seconds faster than her Piane time, & 20 seconds faster than Tuohy won the race in.

Olemomoi split 15:53 at 5k, Van Camp 15:55, etc.

There is a lot of talk about the SEC course being short. With the times that were run it is entirely feasible. Was it wheeled? I would assume so but with the times today I would think it is probably 150 meters short at least.

Very fast times indeed yet I truly think Chelangat is NOT in the same fitness as Katelyn.

Katelyn is smart not to run crazy fast times in the season and pacing properly to nationals, which is the race that matters most to her and to her team. Although we fans love records but they NC State women and their coaches don't, they just want to win.

You watch the ACC race and there were plenty of big hills, Katelyn looked comfortable and strong running up the hills.

I cannot get the replay to play, hopefully someone uploads the race.

if i let my intrusive thoughts win:

"those times are a joke lol hahah whoever believes those times are real are ignorant and dont know anything about running"

i mean hahahah