No son of mine is competing vs girls and no daughter of mine is taking on boys, it's called......common sense.
Any guy who needs to compete vs the girls has a problem. Identify as anything ya want but you can't compete in female sports.
By the time I was 14ish I could whip all three of my older sisters in a free for all werestling match, that would end up.......mom mom Deno is too rough, which brought, Mom......don't hurt you sisters son.
This whole thing is ridiculous and we all know it, SAFP couldn't place in the Cali State High School boys 100m.
One question, Deno-sister-wrestler:
What if your daughter was trans? Where would you want them to compete?
99.9% of the time the kids aren't "trans", they have groomer parents that want a trans kid in order to gain virtue signal points among their Leftist peer group.
What if your daughter was trans? Where would you want them to compete?
99.9% of the time the kids aren't "trans", they have groomer parents that want a trans kid in order to gain virtue signal points among their Leftist peer group.
OK so the village idiot has chimed in with an absurd assertion with zero evidence.
What if your daughter was trans? Where would you want them to compete?
99.9% of the time the kids aren't "trans", they have groomer parents that want a trans kid in order to gain virtue signal points among their Leftist peer group.
Do you personally know any parents that have done this?
99.9% of the time the kids aren't "trans", they have groomer parents that want a trans kid in order to gain virtue signal points among their Leftist peer group.
Do you personally know any parents that have done this?
Glad I’m not brainwashed or brain dead. It’s really not hard to know why there’s a male and female category. I’ll continue to support womens rights and common sense.
She was a professional on a “professional” men hockey team.
You don’t “join” a professional team.
Also, hundreds of girls play hockey on boys teams in HS. Even then. You don’t join the team. You make the team.
Yep - happens quite often in Minnesota high school hockey, to the point that the statewide media doesn't make a big deal of it anymore, though the local media where it's happening might. In almost all cases the girl plays goalie and is bound for D1 or one of the best D3 teams (no D2 in hockey, strangely). Every now and then there will be a girl who plays a skating position, which I'll admit is pretty impressive. I saw one girl play at wing once, and the boys were checking her the same as anyone else, and she was giving it back to them as best she could. Knocked one boy flat on his ass and it sounded like every girl and woman in the audience from both team's supporters let out a high-pitched "WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" Nothing wrong with that if she can handle it. Any girl/woman should play with the best level of competition that she can make it to, and at some point for the very best female athletes, that's going to mean playing with male opponents.
There’s always been girls playing with the boys around here in Canada. Some of them are actually really good. My younger cousin was usually the best player on her all male travel team. She’s extremely talented at skating and stick handling, she’s small and skinny but when you know how to score and out manoeuvre opponents, you’re generally okay.
That’s right. Let’s see the trans kid play against a male team. He would have so many balls bouncing off his chin, he wouldn’t know what to do!
Hey…. Wait a minute……..
I dunno if you are being facetious or not. But if you're serious, then you're echoing what many say. Which is basically this: since some boorish boys might be mean to male students with sex/gender distress, female students should be the ones to pay.
Girls and women need to give up fairness and their/our own safety in sports - and privacy, dignity, comfort, safety, peace of mind in the locker room - because some guys are intolerant dickheads to guys they perceive as a bit different to themselves.
In the debates over "trans inclusion," all the responsibility for "inclusion" and most of the expectations to "be kind" are placed on girls and women, not on boys and men. Funny that.
Why can't boys and men just stop being jerks and bullies to members of their/your own sex with identity issues?
I don’t quite get what point you’re trying to make? Probably my fault….
Nobody should have to “pay the price” for anything. Sports are supposed to be fun. Injuries happen, but this one should not have.
Inclusions shouldn’t have to be left up to the girls and/or boys. The school board is at fault for this incident. The girl that was hurt never should have been placed in this predicament.
Concussions are not at all rare in volleyball. A guy I work with has a daughter who plays in an elite HS club and has been scouted for Div I volleyball. Her club coach makes all the girls wear helmets. The sport has been way behind the times and has only put helmets on players who have had head injuries. They should all be wearing helmets. The injury with the trans girl is not uncommon. A player goes down to try to bump the ball and the ball is spiked into the player's face. Lots of girls hit the ball hard enough at the HS level to cause a concussion.
Helmets that protect the head and face guards should help. But still, my understanding is that the increased vulnerability that girls and women have to concussion and other injuries which can result in brain damage - in sports as well as in other life events like car accidents, plane crashes, falls and being physically assaulted by a guy - comes from a combination of distinctive physical features of female anatomy, some of which are in the neck and upper spine. So protecting the head and face will only go so far.
Due to factors such as the architecture and microarchitecture of parts of the female neck including the blood vessels and cervical spine vertebrae, it's apparently very easy for a blow to the head (or a hand around the throat) to end up cutting off or reducing blood supply to the female brain enough to cause lasting damage.
Unfortunately, we don't know enough about all the details yet because historically research on head, neck and other injuries in sports (and other areas of life) was only or mostly done on male subjects. Research on female subjects is much more recent, and more limited.
Used to be, doctors, scientists, sports physiologists and sports officials didn't think it was necessary to study female subjects because they mistakenly assumed females were basically just the same as males except smaller and weaker, and with "boobs and tubes" instead of balls and dick. It took ages to get the medical, scientific and sports communities to start including female subjects in research - and to start seeing all the ways in which women and girls are physically differently to males.
Concussions are not at all rare in volleyball. A guy I work with has a daughter who plays in an elite HS club and has been scouted for Div I volleyball. Her club coach makes all the girls wear helmets. The sport has been way behind the times and has only put helmets on players who have had head injuries. They should all be wearing helmets. The injury with the trans girl is not uncommon. A player goes down to try to bump the ball and the ball is spiked into the player's face. Lots of girls hit the ball hard enough at the HS level to cause a concussion.
So you hire a moving service to load your stuff up and make the move, when those movers show up there stands three girls nobody over 150 pounds. You going to be cool with this? Yep, all of them identify as a male.
Why would I care if the people who move my stuff are 150lbs or 250lbs? Seems like a weird thing to worry about....
Concussions are not at all rare in volleyball. A guy I work with has a daughter who plays in an elite HS club and has been scouted for Div I volleyball. Her club coach makes all the girls wear helmets. The sport has been way behind the times and has only put helmets on players who have had head injuries. They should all be wearing helmets. The injury with the trans girl is not uncommon. A player goes down to try to bump the ball and the ball is spiked into the player's face. Lots of girls hit the ball hard enough at the HS level to cause a concussion.
99% chance the same posters fretting about the 'danger' of a trans volleyball player would be the ones saying wearing helmets in volleyball 'sissy.'
No one is fretting about "the danger of a trans volleyball player," though. The concern is solely about the danger of a teenage male playing against teenage female players in girls'/women's volleyball.
In this case, the male player's gender identity, gender expression, sexual orientation, politics, mental health status and so on are - or should be - irrelevant. What matters here is the male player's sex. All the concerns about safety - and unfairness - have arisen coz of sex.
So you hire a moving service to load your stuff up and make the move, when those movers show up there stands three girls nobody over 150 pounds. You going to be cool with this? Yep, all of them identify as a male.
Why would I care if the people who move my stuff are 150lbs or 250lbs? Seems like a weird thing to worry about....
We own a lot of heavy things like a giant freezer, a pool table, a double wide frig, an antigue dresser that is very heavy, no way some little girls will be able to handle the job, getting it now? Now they might identify as as a man but they don't possess a mans strength.
Concussions are not at all rare in volleyball. A guy I work with has a daughter who plays in an elite HS club and has been scouted for Div I volleyball. Her club coach makes all the girls wear helmets. The sport has been way behind the times and has only put helmets on players who have had head injuries. They should all be wearing helmets. The injury with the trans girl is not uncommon. A player goes down to try to bump the ball and the ball is spiked into the player's face. Lots of girls hit the ball hard enough at the HS level to cause a concussion.
I did not know that helmets were a thing in volleyball.
Are you sure that they are legal and you don’t need a medical note to wear one?
Assuming you don’t (since you know a kid that wears one), then said coach (the coach who does not want to compete against a trans due to health concerns) really cared about his athletes’ health, then he would have his athletes wear a helmet at all times. You never know if you are going to face a girl who spikes the ball like an NCAA athlete.
Furthermore, why isn’t a helmet mandatory in the first place? Somebody posted an article saying that football and volleyball are the 2 sports which lead to the most concussions. I think that we may have the technology to solve that in volleyball.
The title of the thread should therefore be: “If this does not lead to regulatory changes on helmet wearing in volleyball, I don’t know what will”
This "issue" should really be a non-issue as a significant percentage of Americans, both right and left, agree that men who identify as a woman and trans athletes, who were born male but have become female, should not be allowed to compete against other females. We are as united as a country on this topic as any.
This "issue" should really be a non-issue as a significant percentage of Americans, both right and left, agree that men who identify as a woman and trans athletes, who were born male but have become female, should not be allowed to compete against other females. We are as united as a country on this topic as any.
The problem is that institutions have made great efforts in their attempt to be inclusive, and have gone slightly too far in this aspect. Cancel culture is a real thing even if people that relentlessly complain about it are usually just jerks who are upset they can’t call people names anymore.
I’m confident we can find a middle ground where trans people aren’t being hated or discriminated against but they also don’t infringe on female sports and spaces. What those spaces are of course are up for debate of course but I do believe we can find a middle ground.
I don’t care if the womens turkey trot is won by a trans woman. I get why some people would care especially if that coveted gift card to the local running store was at stake, but I personally don’t. I personally think it would be better to be polite and accepting of your local trans woman who enjoys running even if you believe their secret masculine desire to destroy women was at the root of their behavior. What it says about us as an inclusive society is more important than that gift card, in my opinion.
The NCAA is a different story entirely. You can’t have a significant advantage in the NCAA or Olympics and have it be fair, which it needs to be. Again, just my opinion. If I’m a politician, I’m avoiding these discussions like the plague.
99% chance the same posters fretting about the 'danger' of a trans volleyball player would be the ones saying wearing helmets in volleyball 'sissy.'
No one is fretting about "the danger of a trans volleyball player," though. The concern is solely about the danger of a teenage male playing against teenage female players in girls'/women's volleyball.
In this case, the male player's gender identity, gender expression, sexual orientation, politics, mental health status and so on are - or should be - irrelevant. What matters here is the male player's sex. All the concerns about safety - and unfairness - have arisen coz of sex.
ummmmmm.......so why weren't those safety concerns raised years ago for Co-ed volleyball?
99.9% of the time the kids aren't "trans", they have groomer parents that want a trans kid in order to gain virtue signal points among their Leftist peer group.
OK so the village idiot has chimed in with an absurd assertion with zero evidence.
Hilarious that you are downvoted while the other guy is upvoted. Even for LRC that was a stupid post
No one is fretting about "the danger of a trans volleyball player," though. The concern is solely about the danger of a teenage male playing against teenage female players in girls'/women's volleyball.
In this case, the male player's gender identity, gender expression, sexual orientation, politics, mental health status and so on are - or should be - irrelevant. What matters here is the male player's sex. All the concerns about safety - and unfairness - have arisen coz of sex.
ummmmmm.......so why weren't those safety concerns raised years ago for Co-ed volleyball?
Huh? What makes you think "those safety concerns" were not "raised years ago for co-ed volleyball"?
AFAIK, concerns about the safety of females engaging in mixed-sex volleyball go back to when mixed-sex volleyball first became "a thing" in the US - which, BTW, is one of the few places in the world where mixed-sex volleyball is played. From Wikipedia:
Most competitive volleyball is played with same-sex teams (exclusively so at the elite levels, although the International Volleyball Association ran a professional co-ed league in the 1970s). Different sets of rules have been drafted to allow for mixed teams, often known as "coed" teams in the United States.
The net is at men's height for "regular coed" and women's height for "reverse coed" [in the USA]. Several adaptations are common, some of them to compensate for the men's greater reach and strength.
The FIVB rules used internationally do not support mixed play, but USA Volleyball, the national governing body for the United States, has specific rules
that permit mixed-sex play, but only under special rules and regulations devised to insure safety and fairness for female players.
ummmmmm.......so why weren't those safety concerns raised years ago for Co-ed volleyball?
Huh? What makes you think "those safety concerns" were not "raised years ago for co-ed volleyball"?
AFAIK, concerns about the safety of females engaging in mixed-sex volleyball go back to when mixed-sex volleyball first became "a thing" in the US - which, BTW, is one of the few places in the world where mixed-sex volleyball is played. From Wikipedia:
Most competitive volleyball is played with same-sex teams (exclusively so at the elite levels, although the International Volleyball Association ran a professional co-ed league in the 1970s). Different sets of rules have been drafted to allow for mixed teams, often known as "coed" teams in the United States.
The net is at men's height for "regular coed" and women's height for "reverse coed" [in the USA]. Several adaptations are common, some of them to compensate for the men's greater reach and strength.
The FIVB rules used internationally do not support mixed play, but USA Volleyball, the national governing body for the United States, has specific rules
that permit mixed-sex play, but only under special rules and regulations devised to insure safety and fairness for female players.
That's funny....the dangers of co-ed volleyball didn't really make many waves over here on LRC until the trans players started showing up.
So the solution obviously to move the net to the men's height, right? That would solve all the safety issues right there. Would you find that acceptable? This is, after all, all about player safety.
You can keep insisting this is all about 'player safety' and has 'nothing to do at all' about trans athletes.....but it's not convincing anyone.