This goes to the people saying those who think he will miss his goal are haters who envy his life. The b-roll footage shows how boring his life is - it doesn't make you envious.
You know with him anything is content, so the fact he has to include the same boring headlamp coffee making footage for minutes EVERY video shows he has little else happening other than staying on this hamster wheel of run/make video/repeat which is kind of sad.
He's probably close to maxing out subs because running content is a finite audience that is spread very thin. There is no runner with 2M subs who is killing it. For most of running YT it's a side hustle, not the main gig and you have so many niche YT's for running that it becomes a thing that eats itself. You want buff guy trying running go to Nick Bare. You want quasi elites go to Tinmom. You want elite training go to Sweat Elite. You want light hearted shoe reviews go to believe in the run. You want trail training go to Sage & vO2, and so on. It's hard to break out for a BIG number of subs unless you are truly different and interesting and he is clearly not the latter.
Final point - Most of us who think he'll miss his goal are frustrated former viewers who know he has talent but wastes it with dumb training. Personally I'd also like to see him ditch roads and go back to mountain running but overseas against good competition (e.g. OCC). Problem is he got so many hits from the his old NY marathon vid he's doing this for views and while it's a noble pursuit in some way, he's also wasting his last prime trail years. And his trail ability/efforts combined with not being sponsored so having the ability to review any brand plus more general training tips is what made him unique. Bad training tips plus road running plus boring b-roll makes him net boring.
Many armchair critics of his channel use a lot of rhetoric to get across their points. In many times it feels like criticism for the sake of criticism, much of it not really well thought out. Using rhetoric in a piece of criticism is what makes the armchair critic a hater vs. good quality criticism.
Example:
1. "Seth runs too much slow mileage" - fair criticism that shouldn't be considered from a hater.
2. "But instead the bozo spends countless hours running 100+ MPW at 8:30/mile pace" (took from first page of this thread) - added unnecessary rhetoric makes this a hater comment.
Both these points of criticism might not even be fair criticism, since Seth's #1 goal is to be a story teller. Weird training contributes to making it more entertaining and makes for a compelling story. Purely from a training analysis, both points are fair, but the rhetoric on the 2nd comment is not fair given his overall priority of an entertainer (or storyteller as he calls it).
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7 pages how bad this guy performs!!! 7 f…. pages! If you don’t like him don’t watch the videos. Stop complaining and do something more productive. Go for a run…
there are bigger problems in the world then a guy posting everyday videos about his kitchen about the car about…. I still believe that some people started running because of him… isn’t that a good thing for our sport? I think people started consistently running because of him… isn’t that a good thing?
If I would decide to take him as online coach I would compare it to other coaches and If I see it makes sense I would buy it if not I don’t buy it… if the reviews are bad because no improvement by the coached runner he will get a negative review and he will not sell another coaching… so easy it is…
stop hating and most of the people here are hating
7 pages how bad this guy performs!!! 7 f…. pages! If you don’t like him don’t watch the videos. Stop complaining and do something more productive. Go for a run…
there are bigger problems in the world then a guy posting everyday videos about his kitchen about the car about…. I still believe that some people started running because of him… isn’t that a good thing for our sport? I think people started consistently running because of him… isn’t that a good thing?
If I would decide to take him as online coach I would compare it to other coaches and If I see it makes sense I would buy it if not I don’t buy it… if the reviews are bad because no improvement by the coached runner he will get a negative review and he will not sell another coaching… so easy it is…
stop hating and most of the people here are hating
at the end of the day if he didn’t reach his goals… everyone who stated he blows up can then say “ i knew it - he blow up” and then??? What is the added value?
the same as for the time predictions… no one will care if one predicted the exact time… or does the one who predicted the exact time get a reward?
at the end of the day if he didn’t reach his goals… everyone who stated he blows up can then say “ i knew it - he blow up” and then??? What is the added value?
the same as for the time predictions… no one will care if one predicted the exact time… or does the one who predicted the exact time get a reward?
The added value is that we can judge how good a coach Seth is.
I agree with you for the most part but as basically the hobbyjogger you described (3:18 in first marathon last fall) I'd way rather have a 2:40 guy with solid knowledge of physiology and training be my coach than someone like Seth, who is talented and hardworking but doesn't seem to be able to put together a reasonable training block. Like the guy from strength running channel/podcast, I think his pb is around 2:40, but he consistently gives good advice and cites it from other coaches unlike Seth who takes the idea of aerobic base way too far and doesn't even seem to understand what a threshold run is lmao.
Even his weekly mileage makes no sense, there's rarely cutback weeks and the tapers basically last like 5 weeks, it's insane. He's mentioned reading JD in a few videos I think so I just don't understand how he doesn't get it yet. There is some level of self awareness there, after NYC in addition to the pasta (lol) he said 130mpw was too much and he was going to do less volume and more speed work. But it doesn't seem like he really made that happen.
About the prediction, I'm thinking back to Sage Canadays last otq attempt - he ran like 2:22 or something, after way better training than Seth, and having already ran 2:16 in the past. I think his worst road marathon was like 2:23. Wish Seth the best but there's no way Seth breaks 2:20. If he paces it smart maybe 2:25 but he's going to go out too fast and run 2:30+ for sure
Oh dang you beat me. I stopped in the middle of my comment to get coffee. It's funny to see that someone had the same thought too. I was even being serious though, I know it sounds ridiculous.
Oh dang you beat me. I stopped in the middle of my comment to get coffee. It's funny to see that someone had the same thought too. I was even being serious though, I know it sounds ridiculous.
I am a Seth supporter, but I have often wondered if any notable coach out there prescribes anything that resembles what Seth calls a "pyramid" -- starting with low mileage, climbing to peak mileage, and then a long, gradual taper.
Yeah that's gotta be it. Looking at his Strava, almost every week in the past 12 weeks is a whole number +- 0.1mi, and every week is less miles than the previous except for one cutback week.
If he put half the mental energy he uses to meticulously plan and execute mileage in this nonsensical decline into insanity towards designing a reasonable progression of workouts he'd be in a way better spot
Hey DGR Stan’s! Why is your boy not already in Rotterdam? If he is serious about that OTQ, shouldn’t he already be in the city doing course recon, getting adjusted to the time difference, making sure the local food works for him or finding grocery items that don’t upset his sensitive tummy?
