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4 years ago 02/05/2022 9:28am EST

re: Charlesvdw

Charlesvdw wrote:
GettingFasterDude wrote:
99% of people haven't been wearing masks for over a year, were I live (except schools & medical). We've been dining indoors and running outdoor races since July 2020.
And by the way, natural immunity is real. 99% have antibodies for 2 years.
Johns Hopkins/JAMA, out 2/3/22
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2788894
Disclosure: I'm vaxxed x 3 and have had COVID (Delta variant).
Nice link, but the median time after COVID was 8 months (0-20 months).
Conclusion:
In this cross-sectional study of unvaccinated US adults, antibodies were detected in 99% of individuals who reported a positive COVID-19 test result, in 55% who believed they had COVID-19 but were never tested, and in 11% who believed they had never had COVID-19 infection.

Also this part: "Study limitations include lack of direct neutralization assays, the fact that antibody levels alone do not directly equate to immunity". There was another study done which came out last summer about reinfection (which would have been people who got alpha then became reinfected) that showed chances of reinfection one year later was ~50% (e.g. they measured drop in immunity over time). Obviously the science here is complicated because one year later they would be getting delta. Even this study implies the same thing: "Although evidence of natural immunity in unvaccinated healthy US adults up to 20 months after confirmed COVID-19 infection is encouraging, it is unclear how these antibody levels correlate with protection against future SARS-CoV-2 infections, particularly with emerging variants"

4 years ago 02/05/2022 9:55am EST

re: Taro

Taro wrote:
Everyone wears masks here in Japan, although some don't while running outdoors.
Total coronavirus deaths in Japan: 19,131
Case closed. Masks work. Sayonara.　　

How about the general health of the public, low obesity rates, some sort of gene in the very shallow gene pool there are all bigger factors for death rate then a 10 micron mask VS. a 3 micron virus.

Here in Ohio, 10% masked and almost all of them are just your fall in line democrats and people with OCD or some other mental health issue.

4 years ago 02/05/2022 10:06am EST

re: Taro

Taro wrote:
Everyone wears masks here in Japan, although some don't while running outdoors.
Total coronavirus deaths in Japan: 19,131
Case closed. Masks work. Sayonara.　　

No one wears masks here in Gambia. Total deaths: 374. Most here don't have any real idea what this "covid" thing is. Cause closed, no social media works. Unguarto.

4 years ago 02/05/2022 10:30am EST

re: johnny lawrence

Yes. Germany.

People are getting more lax with almost everything except masks. In anything, I'd say proper use is better now than a year ago. Still, infection numbers (but not deaths) are shooting through the roof right now.

I'm hoping for (1) some degree of herd immunity and (2) more reasonable assessment of the risk. It looks like we'll get both.

4 years ago 02/05/2022 11:35am EST

re: the krauts

Yes Florida. The insecure freak show is everywhere

4 years ago 02/05/2022 1:42pm EST

re: johnny lawrence

I'll wear one when the elites that tell us to wear masks and be scared of the rona start wearing them. In other words, I won't be wearing one any time soon.

4 years ago 02/05/2022 3:22pm EST

re: johnny lawrence

Live in a rural area in northern CA foothills and ~50% are wearing masks. The past month we've had a huge omicron surge and the rednecks around here are full on derp, so of course no masks.

4 years ago 02/05/2022 5:19pm EST

re: Rednecks dont

Rednecks dont wrote:
Live in a rural area in northern CA foothills and ~50% are wearing masks. The past month we've had a huge omicron surge and the rednecks around here are full on derp, so of course no masks.

How can you expect them to wear them when your own governor won't even do it? You think that might have something to do with it? Maybe, just MAYBE, it's not as dangerous as the elites want us to think. You can plainly see that's the truth because the ELITES DON'T FOLLOW THE RULES THEY TELL US TO FOLLOW.

4 years ago 02/05/2022 6:26pm EST

re: ProfoundBS

ProfoundBS wrote:
Wuzzle Wuzzle4 wrote:
They are really only unpleasant in the summer unless you are a pansy.
Many human cultures have regular mask or face coverings. So it's a culture deviation.
Every liberal I know destests mask wearing. The difference is they don't constantly cry about it, yell at strangers or use it to threaten people .
BTW-
"You know, public health [officials] don't get to tell people what to wear; that's just not their job," Polis said. "You don't tell people what to wear. You don't tell people to wear a jacket when they go out in winter and force them to [wear it]. If they get frostbite, it's their own darn fault." Democratic Gov.
Plenty of people, liberal or otherwise, think it's perfectly acceptable to yell and curse at strangers when they are unmasked, even outside. Your point about other human cultures is fair enough, but for better or for worse, most of the people in this discussion happened to grow up in a culture without face coverings. Why would anyone pretend that this massive shift in relations between people should go smoothly? It is incredibly grating that seeing the whole of other people's faces is practically against the law, except in time and space limited situations (e.g., when you're at your table, but not if you get up to go to the bathroom, god forbid; before you cross the threshold of any building, but not the second you step inside). As we have already seen, the problems with Covid-19 restrictions of any kind in the US do become social and political problems, and in some ways they should. No matter how many times we say "follow the science" (as if such a dictum were straightforward at all), we need to remember that people should not live in a vacuum in which public health outcomes are the only thing that matters.
The real frustration is that we have people who think that way, and people who dare to suspect otherwise talking past each other. My question is do you want to live in a place where your ability for your face to be visible is considerably limited most of the time? What will the social implications of that be in five, 10 and 20 years from now if this continues? What does this mean for children in school? The exhaustion and depression these constant public health rituals create is, to my mind worse than Covid itself.

Fantastic post.

This is an example of a reasonable person.

"The exhaustion and depression these constant public health rituals create is, to my mind worse than Covid itself."

Yes^

4 years ago 02/05/2022 7:02pm EST

re: johnny lawrence

johnny lawrence wrote:
No

F&ck NO. The game is over. Stop the common sense, I mean the nonsense.

4 years ago 02/05/2022 7:38pm EST

re: johnny lawrence

Dallas suburbs - maybe 5% or so. To each our own, we're all adults who can make choices. That said, a mask crazy Karen might get curb stomped.

4 years ago 02/05/2022 9:44pm EST

re: Bob Schul fan

Bob Schul fan wrote:
Taro wrote:
Everyone wears masks here in Japan, although some don't while running outdoors.
Total coronavirus deaths in Japan: 19,131
Case closed. Masks work. Sayonara.　　
How about the general health of the public, low obesity rates, some sort of gene in the very shallow gene pool there are all bigger factors for death rate then a 10 micron mask VS. a 3 micron virus.

Sure, other factors certainly play some role in the 46-fold lower body count in Japan vs. the U.S.

But at this point, there's plenty of scientific evidence showing that masks work. So people like you are obviously motivated by factors other than the truth.

"Statistical analysis showed that the odds of infection were about half for people who reported wearing a mask in public compared with people who didn’t. (Results of this study are reported in terms of “odds ratios” which are related to relative risk, but not quite the same thing.) For people who wore masks “all of the time” (instead of “some of the time” or “most of the time”) the estimated effect was even more significant.

A second part of the study sought to differentiate between cloth masks, surgical masks, and N95/KN95 respirators. Not unexpectedly, N95/KN95s were found to reduce the odds of infection compared with people who didn’t wear any mask. To me, the surprising thing is how effective they were, reducing the relative odds by 83%. Cloth masks and surgical masks were found to be less effective."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johndrake/2022/02/04/the-real-world-effectiveness-of-face-masks-against-covid-19/?sh=4cc648101d08

4 years ago 02/05/2022 10:02pm EST

re: Taro

Low quality study.

Funny how you guys demand gold-standard randomized controlled trials to approve ivermectin as a treatment, but we're all required to wear masks based on the flimsiest possible "evidence" such as that.

4 years ago 02/05/2022 10:05pm EST

re: Koko the Gorilla

Can any libs explain why Stacy Abrams is exempt from the mask mandate? Is it like an Al Gore situation where you can fly around in a private jet as long as you buy enough "carbon credits" and if so where can I buy "covid credits"? Libs?

https://twitter.com/ChrisMZiegler/status/1490147247627112451

4 years ago 02/05/2022 10:10pm EST

re: johnny lawrence

About 50/50, but I expect that to change come Halloween.

4 years ago 02/05/2022 10:17pm EST

re: Normal guy who pays attention

Normal guy who pays attention wrote:
Rednecks dont wrote:
Live in a rural area in northern CA foothills and ~50% are wearing masks. The past month we've had a huge omicron surge and the rednecks around here are full on derp, so of course no masks.
How can you expect them to wear them when your own governor won't even do it? You think that might have something to do with it? Maybe, just MAYBE, it's not as dangerous as the elites want us to think. You can plainly see that's the truth because the ELITES DON'T FOLLOW THE RULES THEY TELL US TO FOLLOW.

It's always easy to spot the crazy ones.......

4 years ago 02/05/2022 10:18pm EST

re: Prosper Runner

Prosper Runner wrote:
Dallas suburbs - maybe 5% or so. To each our own, we're all adults who can make choices. That said, a mask crazy Karen might get curb stomped.

Y'all sound like some real fine and well-adjusted people.

4 years ago 02/05/2022 10:21pm EST

re: Bullet_Proof

Bullet_Proof wrote:
ProfoundBS wrote:
Plenty of people, liberal or otherwise, think it's perfectly acceptable to yell and curse at strangers when they are unmasked, even outside. Your point about other human cultures is fair enough, but for better or for worse, most of the people in this discussion happened to grow up in a culture without face coverings. Why would anyone pretend that this massive shift in relations between people should go smoothly? It is incredibly grating that seeing the whole of other people's faces is practically against the law, except in time and space limited situations (e.g., when you're at your table, but not if you get up to go to the bathroom, god forbid; before you cross the threshold of any building, but not the second you step inside). As we have already seen, the problems with Covid-19 restrictions of any kind in the US do become social and political problems, and in some ways they should. No matter how many times we say "follow the science" (as if such a dictum were straightforward at all), we need to remember that people should not live in a vacuum in which public health outcomes are the only thing that matters.
The real frustration is that we have people who think that way, and people who dare to suspect otherwise talking past each other. My question is do you want to live in a place where your ability for your face to be visible is considerably limited most of the time? What will the social implications of that be in five, 10 and 20 years from now if this continues? What does this mean for children in school? The exhaustion and depression these constant public health rituals create is, to my mind worse than Covid itself.
Fantastic post.
This is an example of a reasonable person.
"The exhaustion and depression these constant public health rituals create is, to my mind worse than Covid itself."
Yes^

Yesss!!! Finaallllly someone said it!

Your slight discomfort IS worse than a million American deaths. It's the real tragedy!

Don't you forget that!

4 years ago 02/05/2022 10:47pm EST

re: maybe this

maybe this wrote:
Yesss!!! Finaallllly someone said it!
Your slight discomfort IS worse than a million American deaths. It's the real tragedy!
Don't you forget that!

That is indeed what it comes down to:

Waaaahhhh! I donwanna weah a mask!!!!! It hurts! It hurts!! Waaaahhhhhh!!!!!

A nation half-populated by screaming infants incapable of dealing with reality. Sure as hell glad I left that place 10 years ago.

4 years ago 02/05/2022 10:54pm EST

re: Koko the Gorilla

Koko the Gorilla wrote:
Low quality study.
Funny how you guys demand gold-standard randomized controlled trials to approve ivermectin as a treatment, but we're all required to wear masks based on the flimsiest possible "evidence" such as that.

There have been multiple legitimate studies posted here showing masks appreciably reduce spread. They just get crowded out by the daily anti-masker/anti-vaxxer threads started by deranged and obsessive right wingers on here.

Here is just one:

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abi9069

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