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    CarlyRaeJepsensMalort

    Member since 10/19/2021.

    406 posts. Last post 3 years ago.
    4 years ago 01/26/2022 5:46am EST
    re: rojo

    rojo, of course she believes she is innocent. cognitive dissonance is a hell of a drug. in another life i was a teacher, and i would tell a kid to stop talking while i was teaching and be met with "i wasn't talking." and i really believe that they believed it, because to them they weren't doing anything wrong. i was the one who was wrong in their eyes.

    i still subscribe to the sketchy supplement theory. basically gray-area doping that i believe most athletes partake in to a certain extent. shelby goofed up the timing and got caught, but because she was just doing what everyone else was doing, she believes in her innocence. throw in the BS tainted meat excuse that wilson got away with, and boom you have the burrito story. for the record, wilson is a doper too. that's the thing, you try to strawman us by bringing up wilson, but that ain't gonna work. dopers, all of them. lagat too.

  • original liar soorer

    Anonymous Poster

    4 years ago 01/26/2022 5:58am EST
    re: CarlyRaeJepsensMalort

    CarlyRaeJepsensMalort wrote:

    rojo, of course she believes she is innocent. cognitive dissonance is a hell of a drug. in another life i was a teacher, and i would tell a kid to stop talking while i was teaching and be met with "i wasn't talking." and i really believe that they believed it, because to them they weren't doing anything wrong. i was the one who was wrong in their eyes.

    i still subscribe to the sketchy supplement theory. basically gray-area doping that i believe most athletes partake in to a certain extent. shelby goofed up the timing and got caught, but because she was just doing what everyone else was doing, she believes in her innocence. throw in the BS tainted meat excuse that wilson got away with, and boom you have the burrito story. for the record, wilson is a doper too. that's the thing, you try to strawman us by bringing up wilson, but that ain't gonna work. dopers, all of them. lagat too.

    Can you re-post in English please.I am not at all surprised that you are an ex-teacher.

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    casual obsever

    Member since 11/19/2015.

    5,439 posts. Last post 3 years ago.
    4 years ago 01/26/2022 6:49am EST
    re: rojo

    rojo wrote:

    I also don't understand the science enough. One of the studies involved in nailing shelby had 4 people in it, right? Really?

    LOL. Not really.

    rojo wrote:

    I've also been troubled by the fact that Jarrion Lawson/Ajee Wilson both recently got off after testing positive.

    This is indeed troublesome. They got lucky that CAS/USADA accepted the tainted beef excuse.

    But, for the umpteenth time, Houliham's case is very very very very very different:

    1) According to CAS, we can rule out on the balance of probability that an intact boar made it into the burrito ("improbable", CAS wrote). {At this point, the case is lost, in contrast to the Lawson and Wilson cases, where the beef - not pork - contamination was judged to be "more likely than not"}

    But wait, that is only the beginning. There is more:

    2) According to CAS, we can rule out on the balance of probability that a stomach offal burrito even from an intact boar would have caused such high nandro levels ("improbable", CAS wrote). {extra icing}

    3) According to CAS, we can rule out on the balance of probability that a stomach offal burrito even from an intact boar would have caused such high androgen levels ("highly improbable", CAS wrote). {nail in the coffin}

    4) According to CAS, we can rule out that the nandro came from "commercial pork" (not "consistent with", CAS wrote). And according to CAS, the food truck obtained their food from a commercial plant that used commercial pork from commercial farmers.

    With that, the coffin was burned, and all ashes spread out over the ocean. Case closed.

    Lawson and Wilson had no equivalent to points 2, 3, or 4. Recall that Gatlin was banned just based on 4 (CIR showed synthetic testo, just like it showed synthetic nandro for Houlihan).

  • original liar soorer

    Anonymous Poster

    4 years ago 01/26/2022 7:54am EST
    re: casual obsever

    casual obsever wrote:

    rojo wrote:

    I also don't understand the science enough. One of the studies involved in nailing shelby had 4 people in it, right? Really?

    LOL. Not really.

    rojo wrote:

    I've also been troubled by the fact that Jarrion Lawson/Ajee Wilson both recently got off after testing positive.

    This is indeed troublesome. They got lucky that CAS/USADA accepted the tainted beef excuse.

    But, for the umpteenth time, Houliham's case is very very very very very different:

    1) According to CAS, we can rule out on the balance of probability that an intact boar made it into the burrito ("improbable", CAS wrote). {At this point, the case is lost, in contrast to the Lawson and Wilson cases, where the beef - not pork - contamination was judged to be "more likely than not"}

    But wait, that is only the beginning. There is more:

    2) According to CAS, we can rule out on the balance of probability that a stomach offal burrito even from an intact boar would have caused such high nandro levels ("improbable", CAS wrote). {extra icing}

    3) According to CAS, we can rule out on the balance of probability that a stomach offal burrito even from an intact boar would have caused such high androgen levels ("highly improbable", CAS wrote). {nail in the coffin}

    4) According to CAS, we can rule out that the nandro came from "commercial pork" (not "consistent with", CAS wrote). And according to CAS, the food truck obtained their food from a commercial plant that used commercial pork from commercial farmers.

    With that, the coffin was burned, and all ashes spread out over the ocean. Case closed.

    Lawson and Wilson had no equivalent to points 2, 3, or 4. Recall that Gatlin was banned just based on 4 (CIR showed synthetic testo, just like it showed synthetic nandro for Houlihan).

    I was concerned that CAS assumed far too easily that the food came from a commercial plant and as such would not be tainted with enhancers.

    Read publications from the Veterinary Residues Committee for the actual reality and extent of checks and such includes giving animals Nandrolone.

    The problem for WADA is that enhancers and illegal practices exist well beyond Clenbuterol and Mexico and China.

    We have the German Olympic leaders saying that no meat should be consumed during the Winter Olympics.

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    Armstronglivs

    Member since 10/05/2018.

    45,944 posts. Last post 1 hour ago.
    4 years ago 01/26/2022 7:55am EST
    re: original liar soorer

    original liar soorer wrote:

    Try monkey taunts at a soccer game and you would be arrested for hate crimes.

    I await you to have ago at BLM again.

    Never have. Nor am I interested in soccer. But you appear to be evidence that monkeys can compose sentences given enough opportunity to randomly strike a keyboard.

  • original liar soorer

    Anonymous Poster

    4 years ago 01/26/2022 8:00am EST
    re: Armstronglivs

    Armstronglivs wrote:

    original liar soorer wrote:

    Try monkey taunts at a soccer game and you would be arrested for hate crimes.

    I await you to have ago at BLM again.

    Never have. Nor am I interested in soccer. But you appear to be evidence that monkeys can compose sentences given enough opportunity to randomly strike a keyboard.

    You use it as a taunt and a racial insult.

    You forget that you made disparaging comments about BLM compared with WASP.

    You use terms that you yourself say should not be used due to racialism.

  • Simpler Times.

    Supertramp

    Member since 10/20/2017.

    756 posts. Last post 5 days ago.
    4 years ago 01/26/2022 8:10am EST
    re: original liar soorer

    Well her gofundme is has reached a new milestone!

    $15,395.

    Just over 5% of her original goal.

  • Beaver State Track Maven

    Anonymous Poster

    4 years ago 01/26/2022 9:08am EST
    re: Supertramp

    If Rojo is so convinced of her innocence and that she was unjustly railroaded, then I presume that his monthly trust fund allowance goes directly to Shelby's GoFundMe account?

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    BOHICA

    Member since 12/21/2007.

    1,537 posts. Last post 1 week ago.
    4 years ago 01/26/2022 9:13am EST
    re: Beaver State Track Maven

    Beaver State Track Maven wrote:

    If Rojo is so convinced of her innocence and that she was unjustly railroaded, then I presume that his monthly trust fund allowance goes directly to Shelby's GoFundMe account?

    You mean put his money where his mouth is? Nah, he'll never have the courage of his convictions, he just wasn't raised that way. Instead, he's all hot takes and clickbait.

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    casual obsever

    Member since 11/19/2015.

    5,439 posts. Last post 3 years ago.
    4 years ago 01/26/2022 9:16am EST
    re: original liar soorer

    original liar soorer wrote:

    I was concerned that CAS assumed far too easily that the food came from a commercial plant and as such would not be tainted with enhancers.

    Oh come on. Even the desperate Team Shelby didn't grasp at that straw (tainted with nandro-containing enhancers). That should tell you how impossible that is.

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    Armstronglivs

    Member since 10/05/2018.

    45,944 posts. Last post 1 hour ago.
    4 years ago 01/26/2022 9:40am EST
    re: original liar soorer

    original liar soorer wrote:

    Armstronglivs wrote:

    Never have. Nor am I interested in soccer. But you appear to be evidence that monkeys can compose sentences given enough opportunity to randomly strike a keyboard.

    You use it as a taunt and a racial insult.

    You forget that you made disparaging comments about BLM compared with WASP.

    You use terms that you yourself say should not be used due to racialism.

    Yawn. Your lying just never stops. The only taunt is at your feeble intelligence. None of it has to do with race. It isn't the cause of your stupidity.

  • svoinwe

    Anonymous Poster

    4 years ago 01/26/2022 9:54am EST
    re: casual obsever

    casual obsever wrote:

    rojo wrote:

    I also don't understand the science enough. One of the studies involved in nailing shelby had 4 people in it, right? Really?

    LOL. Not really.

    rojo wrote:

    I've also been troubled by the fact that Jarrion Lawson/Ajee Wilson both recently got off after testing positive.

    This is indeed troublesome. They got lucky that CAS/USADA accepted the tainted beef excuse.

    But, for the umpteenth time, Houliham's case is very very very very very different:

    1) According to CAS, we can rule out on the balance of probability that an intact boar made it into the burrito ("improbable", CAS wrote). {At this point, the case is lost, in contrast to the Lawson and Wilson cases, where the beef - not pork - contamination was judged to be "more likely than not"}

    But wait, that is only the beginning. There is more:

    2) According to CAS, we can rule out on the balance of probability that a stomach offal burrito even from an intact boar would have caused such high nandro levels ("improbable", CAS wrote). {extra icing}

    3) According to CAS, we can rule out on the balance of probability that a stomach offal burrito even from an intact boar would have caused such high androgen levels ("highly improbable", CAS wrote). {nail in the coffin}

    4) According to CAS, we can rule out that the nandro came from "commercial pork" (not "consistent with", CAS wrote). And according to CAS, the food truck obtained their food from a commercial plant that used commercial pork from commercial farmers.

    With that, the coffin was burned, and all ashes spread out over the ocean. Case closed.

    Lawson and Wilson had no equivalent to points 2, 3, or 4. Recall that Gatlin was banned just based on 4 (CIR showed synthetic testo, just like it showed synthetic nandro for Houlihan).

    Thanks for writing this out. I'm so tired of having to repeat these points over and over and over again to hammer home that she definitely doped, and even if it was an accident, has now lied so egregiously about it, it disqualifies her anyway.

    There is no "science" needed. The deca got into her system and you can easily prove it didn't come from a meat source. So where did it come from?

  • svoinwe

    Anonymous Poster

    4 years ago 01/26/2022 9:57am EST
    re: svoinwe

    svoinwe wrote:

    casual obsever wrote:

    LOL. Not really.

    This is indeed troublesome. They got lucky that CAS/USADA accepted the tainted beef excuse.

    But, for the umpteenth time, Houliham's case is very very very very very different:

    1) According to CAS, we can rule out on the balance of probability that an intact boar made it into the burrito ("improbable", CAS wrote). {At this point, the case is lost, in contrast to the Lawson and Wilson cases, where the beef - not pork - contamination was judged to be "more likely than not"}

    But wait, that is only the beginning. There is more:

    2) According to CAS, we can rule out on the balance of probability that a stomach offal burrito even from an intact boar would have caused such high nandro levels ("improbable", CAS wrote). {extra icing}

    3) According to CAS, we can rule out on the balance of probability that a stomach offal burrito even from an intact boar would have caused such high androgen levels ("highly improbable", CAS wrote). {nail in the coffin}

    4) According to CAS, we can rule out that the nandro came from "commercial pork" (not "consistent with", CAS wrote). And according to CAS, the food truck obtained their food from a commercial plant that used commercial pork from commercial farmers.

    With that, the coffin was burned, and all ashes spread out over the ocean. Case closed.

    Lawson and Wilson had no equivalent to points 2, 3, or 4. Recall that Gatlin was banned just based on 4 (CIR showed synthetic testo, just like it showed synthetic nandro for Houlihan).

    Thanks for writing this out. I'm so tired of having to repeat these points over and over and over again to hammer home that she definitely doped, and even if it was an accident, has now lied so egregiously about it, it disqualifies her anyway.

    There is no "science" needed. The deca got into her system and you can easily prove it didn't come from a meat source. So where did it come from?

    Also I'm sick of hearing about Lawson and Wilson. As CO pointed out, every case is different. Stop comparing. Shelby tried to sidle herself up next to Lawson and Wilson believing that if she came up with a similar excuse that she could get away with it too. She failed.

  • original liar soorer

    Anonymous Poster

    4 years ago 01/26/2022 10:00am EST
    re: svoinwe

    svoinwe wrote:

    casual obsever wrote:

    LOL. Not really.

    This is indeed troublesome. They got lucky that CAS/USADA accepted the tainted beef excuse.

    But, for the umpteenth time, Houliham's case is very very very very very different:

    1) According to CAS, we can rule out on the balance of probability that an intact boar made it into the burrito ("improbable", CAS wrote). {At this point, the case is lost, in contrast to the Lawson and Wilson cases, where the beef - not pork - contamination was judged to be "more likely than not"}

    But wait, that is only the beginning. There is more:

    2) According to CAS, we can rule out on the balance of probability that a stomach offal burrito even from an intact boar would have caused such high nandro levels ("improbable", CAS wrote). {extra icing}

    3) According to CAS, we can rule out on the balance of probability that a stomach offal burrito even from an intact boar would have caused such high androgen levels ("highly improbable", CAS wrote). {nail in the coffin}

    4) According to CAS, we can rule out that the nandro came from "commercial pork" (not "consistent with", CAS wrote). And according to CAS, the food truck obtained their food from a commercial plant that used commercial pork from commercial farmers.

    With that, the coffin was burned, and all ashes spread out over the ocean. Case closed.

    Lawson and Wilson had no equivalent to points 2, 3, or 4. Recall that Gatlin was banned just based on 4 (CIR showed synthetic testo, just like it showed synthetic nandro for Houlihan).

    Thanks for writing this out. I'm so tired of having to repeat these points over and over and over again to hammer home that she definitely doped, and even if it was an accident, has now lied so egregiously about it, it disqualifies her anyway.

    There is no "science" needed. The deca got into her system and you can easily prove it didn't come from a meat source. So where did it come from?

    If she had no simple explanation and the Wada Nandrolone TD was read and made clear Boar contamination and she had eaten such prior to her test she would not have been lying to say that there was a possibility of food contamination. She may have even had some support from USADA in this.

    Read about Deca contamination in food.

  • original liar soorer

    Anonymous Poster

    4 years ago 01/26/2022 10:05am EST
    re: Armstronglivs

    Armstronglivs wrote:

    original liar soorer wrote:

    You use it as a taunt and a racial insult.

    You forget that you made disparaging comments about BLM compared with WASP.

    You use terms that you yourself say should not be used due to racialism.

    Yawn. Your lying just never stops. The only taunt is at your feeble intelligence. None of it has to do with race. It isn't the cause of your stupidity.

    Insults rather than apologising for racial taunts and hate crimes.

    You have said you use racial terms… yes you.

    Try monkey taunts at any city centre corner and see how you get on.Claiming you are superior WASP won’t get you far.

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    Armstronglivs

    Member since 10/05/2018.

    45,944 posts. Last post 1 hour ago.
    4 years ago 01/26/2022 10:47am EST
    re: original liar soorer

    original liar soorer wrote:

    Armstronglivs wrote:

    Yawn. Your lying just never stops. The only taunt is at your feeble intelligence. None of it has to do with race. It isn't the cause of your stupidity.

    Insults rather than apologising for racial taunts and hate crimes.

    You have said you use racial terms… yes you.

    Try monkey taunts at any city centre corner and see how you get on.Claiming you are superior WASP won’t get you far.

    Dear me. Is there a psychiatrist in the house?

  • Jerry Smiles

    Anonymous Poster

    4 years ago 01/26/2022 10:48am EST
    re: roller coaster

    roller coaster wrote:

    FlagstaffBoi wrote:

    So she's doing workouts after BTC have left the track? So she is *not* working out with them?

    I mean... that seems fine? Like seems like she's coordinating to make sure she doesn't go to the track at the same time as BTC. I assume people wouldn't want the opposite.

    Today, the BTC women ran 9.76 miles in 1:12:25 at 9:21am at Lake Mary Road (source: Instagram story). Then Shelby ran 9.83 miles in 1:12:18 at 9:54am at Lake Mary Road (source: Strava). So yeah maybe she's just doing the exact same thing staggered by 30 minutes?

    Wrong. If they ran 72 minutes, that's 9 miles, since 72 Lady Badger Minutes = 9 Lady Badger Miles.

  • cringe cringe cringe x 3

    Anonymous Poster

    4 years ago 01/26/2022 10:49am EST
    re: svoinwe

    Hypocrites all of them.

    #1 Coffee Club. It will be the end of the On Athletics Club. Ritz needs to shut that down stat. There are a few things more worse for the sport than over sponsored and priviledged white boys gossiping about everyone and everything.

    The only thing they should be discussing is why they cash On checks while racing in Nike shoes.

    #2 Rojo. Unbelievable. Insert Rupp for Houlihan and he's having a complete melt down on why Nike should shut down the BTC. What a farce.

    #3 BTC. The worst of the worst. Spent the entirety of 2010-2020 throwing stones when it was them all along living in glass houses. You can throw Jenny Simpson and the sanctimonious Boulder elites right in there with BTC.

  • svoinwe

    Anonymous Poster

    4 years ago 01/26/2022 10:57am EST
    re: cringe cringe cringe x 3

    cringe cringe cringe x 3 wrote:

    Hypocrites all of them.

    #1 Coffee Club. It will be the end of the On Athletics Club. Ritz needs to shut that down stat. There are a few things more worse for the sport than over sponsored and priviledged white boys gossiping about everyone and everything.

    The only thing they should be discussing is why they cash On checks while racing in Nike shoes.

    #2 Rojo. Unbelievable. Insert Rupp for Houlihan and he's having a complete melt down on why Nike should shut down the BTC. What a farce.

    #3 BTC. The worst of the worst. Spent the entirety of 2010-2020 throwing stones when it was them all along living in glass houses. You can throw Jenny Simpson and the sanctimonious Boulder elites right in there with BTC.

    #4 Shelby. She made a huge deal about not running with the super shoes, and wanting to go to BTC to avoid a reputation. It was all to cover up her little microdoping scheme. She got busted and now she's trying to keep training with BTC and grift money. Get a job Shelby, move on. The running community doesn't want you in it any longer--least not for another 3 years.

  • original liar soorer

    Anonymous Poster

    4 years ago 01/26/2022 10:57am EST
    re: Armstronglivs

    Armstronglivs wrote:

    original liar soorer wrote:

    Insults rather than apologising for racial taunts and hate crimes.

    You have said you use racial terms… yes you.

    Try monkey taunts at any city centre corner and see how you get on.Claiming you are superior WASP won’t get you far.

    Dear me. Is there a psychiatrist in the house?

    You will find that the first stage of treatment is for you to fully embrace that you have unpleasant racial leaning.

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