Not sure how this is different to McColgan's spiking in the 5000 semi. Do you have to throw yourself on the floor for a protest to be legit? British team should have protested
Not sure how this is different to McColgan's spiking in the 5000 semi. Do you have to throw yourself on the floor for a protest to be legit? British team should have protested
JNathletics wrote:
Yeah, but Jewett changed lanes in front of Amos. Apparently he didn't get a full stride in front of Amos before cutting in and his foot hit Amos' leg. Amos did nothing on purpose. It is the fault of the person cutting in when they don't have enough room to move in. Amos has the right to his lane without having to break stride.
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Dude - did you actually watch this race?? "Jewett changed lanes in front of Amos" - WHERE?! At the 400m mark? Seriously, where is this "cutting in"? I'm sorry comments like this are simply infuriating because they are complete BS. Even on the short twitter clip going round, Jewett is right on the rail for the entire duration of it - so honestly your take is completely invalid because it's non factual.
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Neither World Athletics nor the Olympics have Jewett on the start list.
https://olympics.com/tokyo-2020/olympic-games/en/results/athletics/result-men-s-800m-fnl-000100-.htm
Just watched the STREAMABLE video. I still cannot see the point of contact in the video between Jewett’s leg and the front leg of the Botswana runner but it may have happened so I may have been wrong in my earlier assumption thinking that Jewett fell completely on his own without any influence from the runner behind him. for that reason there may be a case for Jewett to get into the final as well, right now.
I just looked at the start list and he is not on the start list as of yet and I think it will be difficult. Amos is in, 9th runner.
I am intrigued by the fact that Jewett has not said anything (at least I haven’t heard a thing yet) himself and surely he should be interviewed to get his version of what happened?.
Very difficult situation to resolve.
Ghost1 wrote:
Just watched the STREAMABLE video. I still cannot see the point of contact in the video between Jewett’s leg and the front leg of the Botswana runner but it may have happened so I may have been wrong in my earlier assumption thinking that Jewett fell completely on his own without any influence from the runner behind him. for that reason there may be a case for Jewett to get into the final as well, right now.
I just looked at the start list and he is not on the start list as of yet and I think it will be difficult. Amos is in, 9th runner.
I am intrigued by the fact that Jewett has not said anything (at least I haven’t heard a thing yet) himself and surely he should be interviewed to get his version of what happened?.
Very difficult situation to resolve.
Look at the slow motion replay a poster provided (thank you) on the previous page.
Focus on the bright orange soles of Jewett's spikes and you will notice the point of contact. The sole becomes more visible.
Lloyd Christmas wrote:
I don't really understand the "no one is at fault argument " because Amos was the one running too close. If anyone should advance its Jewett, but not both of them.
Yes and this was my initial take as it happened live and then afterwards when they showed multiple replays.
This is a slightly grey area situation in that I don't there is necessarily fault here (in a rules sense) because nobody really does anything wrong. The spacing is fine, there are no appreciable moves that lead to this - it's just horrible timing of an athlete at max extension of this back-kick and one at max extension of forward-stride (or however you want to call it). So really this could be one of the rare occasions where you just have to say "hey guys, this is elite level competition and how it goes". BUT,
In saying that I am fully in agreement that is you are advancing anyone it simply has to be Jewett. He's running legally and in front of Amos and there has to be some responsibility for Amos to stay out of his way - that's the benefit of running in front of someone! So even if it was crazy bad luck/circumstances that they connected - the benefit of the doubt so to speak lies with Jewett. It is that simple! So if you want to point to someone creating contact it's Amos, end of story.
Btw, the argument that "Amos would have made it anyway" - nonsense, that is not an argument or justification for putting him in. You don't make these decisions based on "what someone would have done" - he could just as likely have been on the verge of implosion (as we have seen before) and since we are going down that path, how about the mess that was created for Nabil and Riseley to have to navigate?
Ghost1 wrote:
Just watched the STREAMABLE video. I still cannot see the point of contact in the video between Jewett’s leg and the front leg of the Botswana runner but it may have happened so I may have been wrong in my earlier assumption thinking that Jewett fell completely on his own without any influence from the runner behind him. for that reason there may be a case for Jewett to get into the final as well, right now.
I just looked at the start list and he is not on the start list as of yet and I think it will be difficult. Amos is in, 9th runner.
I am intrigued by the fact that Jewett has not said anything (at least I haven’t heard a thing yet) himself and surely he should be interviewed to get his version of what happened?.
Very difficult situation to resolve.
Dude no offense but if you can't see the contact you might actually be a ghost because I am not sure how eyesight works as a ghost (don't they just see magnetic fields or "energies"?). But if you are in fact a human and are watching this multiple times and and can't see it there is an issue with your eyes.
Also, runners at full stride (Jewett probably running 26.8 200m speed here) don't just collapse to the track/fall over their own feet - what on earth are you talking about (though since you are a ghost you might not be on earth).
looks clear to me that Amos's right foot hit Jewett's left on the backswing, causing the fall. Amos shouldn't be in the final but the final is better for him being there.
I am amazed that there were 16 men that rN 1:44.xx in the semi finals and that doesn't include Amos and Jewett obviously. Amazing!
Jewett was tripped by Amos.
xczvzxcv wrote:
looks clear to me that Amos's right foot hit Jewett's left on the backswing, causing the fall. Amos shouldn't be in the final but the final is better for him being there.
I hate to say this but Jewett cut in before it was legal to cut in... rules clearly state you cannot pass a runner and cut in till your stride doesn't impede the runner you are passing. clearly from the start of the bend Amos' inside foot was always closer to the rail than Jewetts (even the back stretch every stride Amos is next to the rail until the fall where Jewett cut in such that his back kick hit Amos)... if Amos was more than a stride length behind Jewett and he ran into him than Amos would be at fault.. however, from the bend on there is never a time where that is the case.. even 1 stride before the fall you can clearly see Jewett running to the outside of Amos... his cutting in impeded Amos.
Now by "clearly" I mean I had to screen capture the video and go frame by frame to see what happened.
I can find the rule number if you want but may just be the basic impeding rule..
It's quite simple Jewett cut in before he legally is allowed... if someone can find something in the world athletic handbook that says otherwise let me know.
I think Amos' thinking that his appeal wouldn't go through has to do with him being the one that made the contact Jewett couldn't see. but that really isn't a part of any rule. rarely to officials tend to get rulings right it seems anecdotally but this one they got right.
rule 17.2.1-17.2.2
Very clear that Jewett cut in impeding Amos
https://www.worldathletics.org/about-iaaf/documents/book-of-rules
im not sure if you are correct, anima, but this is an interesting take.
though ROJO has stated that world athletics said jewett went down on his own without contact, so this is not their reasoning.
animaxcg wrote:
xczvzxcv wrote:
looks clear to me that Amos's right foot hit Jewett's left on the backswing, causing the fall. Amos shouldn't be in the final but the final is better for him being there.
I hate to say this but Jewett cut in before it was legal to cut in... rules clearly state you cannot pass a runner and cut in till your stride doesn't impede the runner you are passing. clearly from the start of the bend Amos' inside foot was always closer to the rail than Jewetts (even the back stretch every stride Amos is next to the rail until the fall where Jewett cut in such that his back kick hit Amos)... if Amos was more than a stride length behind Jewett and he ran into him than Amos would be at fault.. however, from the bend on there is never a time where that is the case.. even 1 stride before the fall you can clearly see Jewett running to the outside of Amos... his cutting in impeded Amos.
Now by "clearly" I mean I had to screen capture the video and go frame by frame to see what happened.
I can find the rule number if you want but may just be the basic impeding rule..
It's quite simple Jewett cut in before he legally is allowed... if someone can find something in the world athletic handbook that says otherwise let me know.
I think Amos' thinking that his appeal wouldn't go through has to do with him being the one that made the contact Jewett couldn't see. but that really isn't a part of any rule. rarely to officials tend to get rulings right it seems anecdotally but this one they got right.
What is this nonsense? He was right on the rail for like 100m and in front of Amos for about as long before the fall happened. Did you only watch two strides and just assume he cut in because it’s the only rule you know?
I don’t know about Jewett changing lanes in front of Amos.
In that short clip, Jewett is completely in front of Amos for at least 7 strides before any contact was made and he went down.
Maybe he got in front right before that and didn’t keep his pacing going.
Rotich is making his move. Amos would need to match that.
The collision was slight and only happened because of the perfect timing of Jewett finishing his back kick while Amos was turning over his forward step.
I am under no delusion that Jewett would have finished top two if he didn’t fall.
And I do think Amos would have.
But luck is part of the sport
A potential 10 man final (2 groups if 2 sharing a lane) is tough for an 800 race without a rabbit.
It increases the chance of a fall in the final.
there is no cutting in. and you can't watch that video and say Amos was too close to Jewett. They're a stride apart. The contact is bad luck and it doesn't look like something that should have caused Jewett to fall. What caused him to fall is that he kicked his own leg after the contact. Just because there was contact doesn't mean Amos "clipped" Jewett or that it's Amos' fault. This looks like normal racing that shouldn't cause any disruption -- people get spiked in every race -- but Jewett kicked his own leg and fell. And I think that take fits with Hoppel's tweet about officials deeming the contact to be just part of racing and advancing Amos but not Jewett.
animaxcg wrote:
xczvzxcv wrote:
looks clear to me that Amos's right foot hit Jewett's left on the backswing, causing the fall. Amos shouldn't be in the final but the final is better for him being there.
I hate to say this but Jewett cut in before it was legal to cut in... rules clearly state you cannot pass a runner and cut in till your stride doesn't impede the runner you are passing. clearly from the start of the bend Amos' inside foot was always closer to the rail than Jewetts (even the back stretch every stride Amos is next to the rail until the fall where Jewett cut in such that his back kick hit Amos)... if Amos was more than a stride length behind Jewett and he ran into him than Amos would be at fault.. however, from the bend on there is never a time where that is the case.. even 1 stride before the fall you can clearly see Jewett running to the outside of Amos... his cutting in impeded Amos.
Now by "clearly" I mean I had to screen capture the video and go frame by frame to see what happened.
I can find the rule number if you want but may just be the basic impeding rule..
It's quite simple Jewett cut in before he legally is allowed... if someone can find something in the world athletic handbook that says otherwise let me know.
I think Amos' thinking that his appeal wouldn't go through has to do with him being the one that made the contact Jewett couldn't see. but that really isn't a part of any rule. rarely to officials tend to get rulings right it seems anecdotally but this one they got right.
Jewett didn't move at all. He is always inside of Amos. Before the contact, Amos' left foot is outside of Jewett's left foot, and inside of Jewett's right foot. Jewett doesn't change his line, but Amos moves out to the right slightly (responding to Rotich's move), bringing Amos' left leg into the same plane as Jewett's right foot where they make contact. You can tell Amos moved right by watching where his feet plant. In the strides before the contact, his left foot is in the center of lane one. At the contact, his left foot is just inside the line between lane one and lane two. Watch Jewett's feet, they are in the same place in lane one until after he begins falling.
This seems to be a no-fault contact situation so I think they should either both be in or out.
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This video is from a different angle and shows Jewett's right foot contacted Rotich's left leg apparently throwing him off so he tripped.
What is interesting is that going into that turn Rotich was on the rail and Jewett was outside of him in lane 1. Jewett got ahead of him and moved to the rail right before he tripped.
LOL you obviously didn't watch the race so I will show you with images how stupid your response is
image 1. the start of the bend clearly Jewett is outside of Amos.
https://i.ibb.co/rxg9Fsv/image.jpg
image 2. clearly Jewett's inside leg (not the hip number is on the inside) is out side Amos's outside leg. this is 5ish strides before the fall.
https://i.ibb.co/tqx8Ng7/1.png
image 3. Jewett is still outside of Amos but cutting in 4ish strides out
image 4. 1 stride out Jewett inside leg is inside Amos's Outside leg
https://i.ibb.co/5L7xpsn/3.png
image 5. the contact
https://i.ibb.co/QfHYQ2k/4.png
clearly Jewett cut on which impeded Amos's progress...
