Nadal shows doping at the top of tennis

Clay negates racket technology, doping, and fast tennis ballz.

I wish running was conducted on clay. Plated shoes would not help.

Armstronglivs wrote:

The 34 year old Spaniard is destroying the world No.1 Djokovic in the final of the French Open. 6-0 in the first set. No player at this stage of their career can be physically so dominant and over a player of Djokovic's calibre.

Has he got 3d shoulders though?

heads of clay wrote:

Nadal is known as the King of Clay.

If near peak form, no one is beating Nadal on clay.

beat me to it.

Nadal is KING of clay.

round and round wrote:

heads of clay wrote:

Nadal is known as the King of Clay.

If near peak form, no one is beating Nadal on clay.

beat me to it.

Nadal is KING of clay.

Nadal is no doubt the KING of clay. And Armstronglivs is only hurting his argument by bringing up "other matches" on clay. If it's not best of 5 at Roland Garros - it doesn't matter, totally different game.

Also, no mention of Federer and doping? By the logic here (if there is any), Fed must be juiced to the gills. He's 39 and still one of the Top 3 players in the world.

He also thinks Federer is doping but those guys temporarily become clean when building a case for another one doping.

Dope Hardstrong wrote:

He also thinks Federer is doping but those guys temporarily become clean when building a case for another one doping.

It must be that LeBron James is doping too, right Armstrong?

Didn't Djokovic have a messed-up neck and shoulder in this tournament? Couldn't that explain part of the lopsidedness of the final?

SlowFatMaster wrote:

Didn't Djokovic have a messed-up neck and shoulder in this tournament? Couldn't that explain part of the lopsidedness of the final?

Yep. He was able to play through it as he warmed up against lesser opponents but Nadal came out blazing and he never really had the chance. He got going but too little too late.

Says who?

What exactly is the drug that helps you play good tennis ??

It is not like Nadal comes from nowhere.

Look at his record...

Dope Hardstrong wrote:

Jim Courier was asked about this and his answer was that players simply still want to play longer.

Agassi was world number one well past 30 as well.

There no reason for any of those three to still be playing apart from that desire to play the game.

Agassi is on the record saying he used steroids .

Nadal from the beginnings bof his career played a power tennis and looked strong.

His is a champion and his capacity to to focus on the point played and not thinking beyond it is his strength .

bebert wrote:

His is a champion and his capacity to to focus on the point played and not thinking beyond it is his strength .

^This, EXACTLY.

EXACTLY.

Being in near-peak shape at 34 is possible, but it is really beside the point.

Especially on clay, especially with longer points, and especially in longer matches, what bebert wrote os exactly the point.

bebert wrote:

Dope Hardstrong wrote:

Jim Courier was asked about this and his answer was that players simply still want to play longer.

Agassi was world number one well past 30 as well.

There no reason for any of those three to still be playing apart from that desire to play the game.

Agassi is on the record saying he used steroids .

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Don't you mean McEnroe?

Nadal is a great champion, so is Djokovic, and Federer.

The reason or reasons Bjorg or Henin stopped their career are some type of lack of motivation.

The reasons tennis players stop playing at their top level in their thirties is not a lack of stamina ,but injuries.

A lot of progress has been made in the prevention and rehalb process

And Nadal has had his shares of injuries where he may have found andw well of motivation

Like Federer and Djokovic he has a very strong and healthy support system.

This may not have been the case of Henin and Bjorg at the times.

Connorz is another example of a champion going deep into his thirties.

Navratilova went on playing doubles in her 40 's and winning

Number 17 in the world today in women6 double ( and former n 1)

Kvita Peshke is 45.

There was a champion of champions contest between champions of different sports .

Bjorg was the winner

He was super fit.

usetobefast10 wrote:

So you're alleging that a higher blood cell count or increased testosterone would only help him in the French Open? Not Wimbledon , USO, or AO? You're grasping at straws here.

The fact that he's only dominant on one surface takes away the cycling comparison.

No, I'm not saying that. But the advantages from being doped are greatest for him on the slowest surface, that enhances the strongest parts of his game, while minimizing his opponent's. On faster courts he doesn't have the same skill base as Federer or Djokovic.

Dope Hardstrong wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Sprinters who dope don't become "great at everything". Nor do distance runners who dope. Doping will help you be better at what you're good at; it won't turn you into what you are not. Nadal will never be a player like Djokovic or Federer.

But they are doping too, right?

Entirely possible.

Dope Hardstrong wrote:

Also quite a few guys and gals played WAY past 30 back in the day. Sure they often declined but that's also because they were led to believe that's just how it had to be.

You are from that generation, people now have a different mindset.

Doping also changes your mind about "what has to be". You are also not aware that according to the medical experts the physiological peak for strength is typically the late 20's. That is why most sportsmen in the past were on their way down at 30.

Dope Hardstrong wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

And in your private cloud, the world of doping doesn't exist. And that's what they'd like you to think.

It exists very much. I just don't attribute every performance to doping.

Nor do I, but given what it does I see that it is most likely to be at the top of most sports. Some performances - some athletes - cry out doping.

bebert wrote:

There was a champion of champions contest between champions of different sports .

Bjorg was the winner

He was super fit.

Wayne Gretzky smoked Borg in a sprint.