Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

law and order wrote:

Question:

Who came closer to disrupting our democracy, the 9/11 terrorists or the Trump mob?

Might it be the group that siezed the US Capitol and had insiders trying to overturn our presidential election?

You liberals are just weird people sometimes. And FFS, are any of you capable of arguing a point without styling it as a silly, snotty looking rhetorical question? You come off like drunk college freshman.

L L wrote:

If you want help non college educated workers, raising minimum wage would help.

Especially in the south where the state minimum equals the federal minimum.

The rate was last raised in 2009.

Since the 2010 midterms, Republicans have had the majority in either the House or Senate and have blocked an increase ever since.

If you want to help them, you provide better healthcare.

If you want to help them, you provide better social security benefits.

If you want to help them, you provide better welfare in tough times.

The idea that Republicans care more about non college educated workers is ludicrous.

But they are completely brainwashed and don’t want any of those things. These people have been voting against their own interest for decades. They have a fascination with a fake era of prosperity shoveling in coal mines. We can sugar coat the situation and come up with viable solutions but they won’t bite. We need to continue working on policies that help them but as far as campaigning it’s a lost cause and Dems are better off pouring money into Stacy’s tactics.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

oc local wrote:

Trump is looking at hiring the A-Team as his impeachment obfuscation team. Giuliani and Dershowitz are top team members.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/09/politics/donald-trump-impeachment-lawyers-dershowitz-giuliani/index.html

Giuliani is responsible for the Ukraine impeachment and for Trump's current predicament. The idea of asking the Ukraine president to go after Biden was undoubtedly Giuliani's. It was also Giuliani that convinced Trump that Pence could reject electoral votes and force a one vote per state resolution.

I don't understand why he continues to allow Giuliani to destroy his life instead of having him taken outside and shot.

Easy, because he indulges trump unconditionally.

agip wrote:

agip wrote:

IT'S NOT ABOUT ECONOMICS

Trump relieves the humiliation felt by non-coastal elites. he's one of them - he hates the blacks and the browns too, he talks badly, he has bad taste, he has multiple marriages, he has legal trouble, he lives as large as he can.

point is, Trump is one of them, and there is no way an African American who went to Columbia and talks like a professor could ever get their support.

Trump is one of them. That's his appeal.

Not any policy.

Going a little deeper, he offers them limitless scapegoating and victimhood. Yes, a minority can use similar language and behavior to try this but white republicans at large trust him more because he’s white trash.

agip wrote:

oc local wrote:

Sally? Again?

it's going to be very hard and probably impossible to prove that Trump told the crowd to overrun the capitol building. Trump did not do that.

Rudy did recommend violence tho, so he could be legal hot water.

But trump...not so much.

The biggest problem with trump is that he’s doing it all openly. The guy lives on the edge and the GOP and 74m have accepted and welcomed it. It’s not as if we are suddenly realizing trump is a bad actor capable of this.

My point is that even if we had a recording of trump saying “I hereby request you, my base, to break into the capitol building, interrupt the vote count, kidnap pence and pelosi, and hang them,” you’d see most republicans saying he didn’t really mean it, that’s just trump being trump, it was taken out of context, or they’d point the finger at Democrats. If they had to, they would go as far as saying that we all accepted trump this way so it’s not a crime because he’s always done this and nobody minded.

Impeachment is a political process and it doesn’t necessarily matter at all if there is a smoking gun.

The only question is what do republicans get for voting for/against trump? We might just have enough senators to remove him this time as those on the fence will really have a giant ethical burden, but it would get extremely ugly when the base realizes these republicans are backstabbing trump. I say for now the GOP won’t remove him and instead will say the Dems are just trying to divide them and playing political theater knowing he’s gone in a few days.

oc local wrote:

"Every time he sets his sights on me, I get more death threats. The violent rhetoric has an uptick. And there's no question that it's had an impact." —Governor Whitmer

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gretchen-whitmer-trump-response-kidnapping-plot/

Elected Democrats have to be extremely careful these next two weeks. They should be fearing for their safety. When a trumper kills an elected Dem that’s the breaking point that would force the GOP to finally own their Frankenstein problem. They don’t understanding just how ready these people are to do something that stupid. And it’s a lot of people. Many are realizing trump is giving up and might decide to take matters into their own hands without his orders. This is where the GOP’s recklessness has gotten us.

oc local wrote:

Typical of Trump. Has yet to say anything to the family of the Capitol police officer who has his skull crushed with a fire extinguisher ripped off the wall by Trump's rioters. He tried to prevent the from approaching the Senate chambers. He was a military veteran and a Trump supporter, the same as now Trump martyr Ashli Barrett. Doing his job cost him his life.

https://twitter.com/TimAeppel/status/1348057939643228160

But wasn’t it already concluded that antifa actually caused his death?

The raising of the min. wage would help somewhat. They will notice that immediately, unlike health care reform or social security, which are too distant and abstract.

Welfare reform will piss off more people than it helps, probably.

So essentially, you are right in general.

But here's the scoop. It's messaging for one thing that is so bad for the dems, and they do themselves a great disservice. And along the same lines, it has been widely publicized that what works in messaging needs to be capable of being boiled down into two very short sentences, or it will simply be lost on the majority of the public under consideration. Trump did this very well. Dems, not so much.

And last, it is a lot easier to sell an oversimplified solution that blames someone else, even if wrong, than to lay out the critical path to address a complex problem.

I say, do all those things LL laid out above, and work on the messaging, though that is a hard sell.

But the fact that the masses warmed up to the Affordable Care Act as implemented under Obama gives hope that these things, once put into place, will be valued for their true worth. Note that even Trump couldn't undo that as much as he would have like to.

Fat hurts wrote:

oc local wrote:

YOU don't want to hear the real truth. You want to hear the Parlor version.

I want everyone in America to hear eyewitnesses tell us how Trump was thrilled about the riots and how he supported it. And I want him convicted. That requires real evidence.

You seem to have no interest in hearing the actual evidence of Trump's involvement. Your way lets him off the hook.

It does not require real evidence. It is not a court proceeding. It only requires enough Republicans to be convinced they have more to lose by protecting the president. That’s all.

We have been swimming in a sea of evidence for 4 years, that is the easy part if deemed important. They can just print the tweets, speeches and interviews by trump, Don Jr, Lin wood, Sidney, and Rudy, and pin them in a timeline of different escalating events against the social media activity of the various trumpers who did his bidding.

All of those who stormed the capital, shouting they wanted to hang the Vice President of the United States, breaking into the Speaker's office, etc., should be arrested and thrown in jail.

There is no, zero, zilch, equivalency amongst the far left crazies. These nut jobs breached the capital at the urging of a flailing President.

He should be thrown in jail with them.

Our elected leaders on both sides have zero courage if he remains in power for one second longer.

Alan

You’ve just described me. I went through a very rough financial period in my early 30s when a lot of people everyone around me in Manhattan were flying up the ladder. I realized then that I didn’t care if they were wealthier and was satisfied that I could still fulfill my basic needs.

I was driven by intellectual curiosity to work very hard and in a smarter way and also got very lucky in the following years. I am much wealthier than most of those acquaintances now but I have no doubt they don’t know that and I would not ever bother to highlight it through my lifestyle. It would also never occur to me to measure someone’s prosperity as a prerequisite for giving them my time.

L L wrote:

Dr. Racket wrote:

Flagpole for instance flies off the handle in a state of pure rage when I choose to grace him with a response because he cannot accept how intellectually inferior he is to me. Very much the same principal and it's what makes people so incredibly easy to troll.

Sally for instance gets all bothered when I call him immoral.

It really gets under his skin. Because it’s true.

And he’s a trumper to the bone. Maybe not a poster child like biff, but a trumper for sure.

Dr. Racket wrote:

L L wrote:

Sally for instance gets all bothered when I call him immoral.

It really gets under his skin. Because it’s true.

I'm not convinced Sally is anything more than one of the most dedicated and consistent trolls on Earth. I'd be surprised if anything actually got under his skin.

Well there is the inconvenient fact that his hero lost and the GOP lost the senate. Being a butthurt trumper really gets under his skin. The script flipped on him overnight and now he’s stuck in Groundhog Day. Enjoy sally!

Republicans need to shut this bleep down, quickly, or their party will be dead in a year.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/08/us/oregon-legislator-entry-protest-december-trnd/index.html

It looks like the "love affair" is officially over:

https://news.yahoo.com/vice-president-pence-yet-speak-225845950.html

Pence's message to Trump:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzjX18psf9A

QQ: It’s easy to say that we should value them more. What does this look like in a meaningful way?

Regarding the coal industry, Hillary campaigned on retraining displaced workers while Trump promised to bring the industry back.

Trump blamed the coal industry decline on environmental regulation (hence the liberals) and promised (and has) to roll back regulations.

The problem is that in reality coal was (and is) noncompetitive with natural gas and emerging clean energy technologies regardless of the regulatory environment. Hillary was selling a hard but economically realistic policy and Trump was selling a pleasant fantasy. It's hardly surprising that the pleasant fantasy won out out, but it's hardly the optimum route to good governance.

Flagpole wrote:

the fact I could retire now if I wanted to, and I likely will in 18-24 months while still in my mid 50s.

What took you so long?

Flagpole wrote:

Dr. Racket wrote:

There's more to it than just money. It's essentially a competition to be the most recognized and liked. This can be achieved through wealth, good deeds, inventing new things, etc.

Flagpole for instance flies off the handle in a state of pure rage when I choose to grace him with a response because he cannot accept how intellectually inferior he is to me. Very much the same principal and it's what makes people so incredibly easy to troll.

Pffft! I am not intellectually inferior to anyone here. Spell "principle" correctly the next time you want to dream that you are smarter than I am.

I'm a scientist - we're infallible, haven't you heard?

Stop being anti-science