Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

L L wrote:

Dr. Racket wrote:

Flagpole for instance flies off the handle in a state of pure rage when I choose to grace him with a response because he cannot accept how intellectually inferior he is to me. Very much the same principal and it's what makes people so incredibly easy to troll.

Sally for instance gets all bothered when I call him immoral.

It really gets under his skin. Because it’s true.

I'm not convinced Sally is anything more than one of the most dedicated and consistent trolls on Earth. I'd be surprised if anything actually got under his skin.

agip wrote:

Runningart2004 wrote:

This explains so much to me. Y'all worried about keeping up with the Neighbors, who's smarter, who's superior, who's right, who's wrong.....

Who gives a flying rat's arse.

Be you man. I care about what 3 people think of me....my wife and two children. Then to a lesser extent my extended family. Then those I work for and with. Everyone else can go fly a kite.

Alan

we're gonna vote off the island human nature?

Excellent.

What other negative aspects of humanity can we just toss over the side?

I'd love to get rid of anger. Never get angry. Just don't do it.

Maybe frustration too. Just don't get frustrated.

This how you do it?

You are essentially making the claim that comparing oneself to neighbors and "keeping up with the Joneses" is not a choice. It is.

Dr. Racket wrote:

Runningart2004 wrote:

This explains so much to me. Y'all worried about keeping up with the Neighbors, who's smarter, who's superior, who's right, who's wrong.....

Who gives a flying rat's arse.

Be you man. I care about what 3 people think of me....my wife and two children. Then to a lesser extent my extended family. Then those I work for and with. Everyone else can go fly a kite.

Alan

Right.... Well I'm not sure what they taught you in the Army, but current evidence, research, and consensus of the scientific community in evolutionary biology, psychology, and behavioral sciences says otherwise.

Actually, they don't.

1101 wrote:

agip wrote:

we're gonna vote off the island human nature?

Excellent.

What other negative aspects of humanity can we just toss over the side?

I'd love to get rid of anger. Never get angry. Just don't do it.

Maybe frustration too. Just don't get frustrated.

This how you do it?

You are essentially making the claim that comparing oneself to neighbors and "keeping up with the Joneses" is not a choice. It is.

You should read Theory of Moral Sentiments.

Dr. Racket wrote:

Runningart2004 wrote:

This explains so much to me. Y'all worried about keeping up with the Neighbors, who's smarter, who's superior, who's right, who's wrong.....

Who gives a flying rat's arse.

Be you man. I care about what 3 people think of me....my wife and two children. Then to a lesser extent my extended family. Then those I work for and with. Everyone else can go fly a kite.

Alan

Right.... Well I'm not sure what they taught you in the Army, but current evidence, research, and consensus of the scientific community in evolutionary biology, psychology, and behavioral sciences says otherwise.

I don't have any idea how rich my neighbors are, well, at least not most of them.

I would think happiness has more to do with if you're better off than you were in the past, or better off than your parents.

Like others have said, being richer than my neighbors isn't a focus of mine and i have a hard time believing many others do either.

seattle prattle wrote:

Dr. Racket wrote:

Right.... Well I'm not sure what they taught you in the Army, but current evidence, research, and consensus of the scientific community in evolutionary biology, psychology, and behavioral sciences says otherwise.

I don't have any idea how rich my neighbors are, well, at least not most of them.

I would think happiness has more to do with if you're better off than you were in the past, or better off than your parents.

Like others have said, being richer than my neighbors isn't a focus of mine and i have a hard time believing many others do either.

I think you're confusing this concept with greed. People are not really innately greedy and there is no biological prerogative for it. Rather, people will compete to be the "best" in the group through social recognition. This may include wealth, but can also include doing good deeds, inventing things, and achieving more education.

seattle prattle wrote:

Dr. Racket wrote:

Right.... Well I'm not sure what they taught you in the Army, but current evidence, research, and consensus of the scientific community in evolutionary biology, psychology, and behavioral sciences says otherwise.

I don't have any idea how rich my neighbors are, well, at least not most of them.

I would think happiness has more to do with if you're better off than you were in the past, or better off than your parents.

Like others have said, being richer than my neighbors isn't a focus of mine and i have a hard time believing many others do either.

I'm really surprised by the legs of this side topic.

If the value you have for yourself is determined in part by comparing yourself to your neighbors to the point where you feel shame over not having a certain car or not having "things" others have.......I am sorry for you.

My parents, or more specifically my grandparents, raised me better than that.

So I think it's all environmental. I am driven to be better than those around me, to complete more tasks, etc. I also don't care about "things" so much.

I came from nothing. We got free food from markets that were a day expired. We got reduced meat. We survived. We did ok without all the bells and whistles others have. Not once did you see me upset because I didn't have a swimming pool or Nintendo 64! :P

Alan

You would have been a lot happier if you did.

Runningart2004 wrote:

So I think it's all environmental. I am driven to be better than those around me, to complete more tasks, etc. I also don't care about "things" so much.

That's the point - whatever you value most, you tend to want more of it than your neighbors. If you lack it (whatever it may be), then you tend to be less happy (and remember this can occur on a long scale - "less happy" can mean 90/100).

And consider this - for most people, wealth is a gateway to other highly valued things. Perhaps you don't value money, but money (in America at least) provides access to better security, education, health, time, etc.

L L wrote:

As far as the Democrat party failing the working class:

Their policies have sheets been more favorable to the working class.

The Affordable Care Act is especially helpful but Republicans keep tearing it down.

Dem banking regulations get submitted to help exploited workers from unfair payday loans and excessive bank fees.

I don’t know specific policies Republicans have presented to help the working class.

Dems don't say China is stealing our jobs and Mexicans are invading our country. R's anti-trade, anti-immigration message has strong appeal to those "working class" Americans.

Dems b!tch about outsourcing, but only because they can do so by demonizing the corporate executives instead of foreigners.

It is almost a Nixon like story. Trump let the wrong things get in his head and then went off the rails. He could have and should have won. This obsession with absentee voting killed him which ironically is how he always votes himself. Without Covid he probably would have survived that mistake, but that was a Catch-22 as they are intimately tied together.

Trollminator wrote:

agip wrote:

one thing Joe could use to his benefit...

This is not a conflict like in the US in the late 60s/early 70s about vietnam

neither side thinks America is the villain and needs comeuppance.

Both sides see themselves as patriots and trying to help the nation.

If Joe can find a way to channel that patriotism in positive ways, he could do some healing.

Not quite sure how that would happen, but that's the goal.

Unfortunately a war would probably do the trick.

I don’t think even war would do the trick. The GOP enabled trumpers to hate the libs more than any of the US’ worst enemies. Their response to a war situation would be “send the libs”.

If the "foreign enemy" is a white European country, Rs would side with them in a second. If it's someone like Iran or North Korea, they will have hard time picking side.

steeplepeople wrote:

It is almost a Nixon like story. Trump let the wrong things get in his head and then went off the rails. He could have and should have won. This obsession with absentee voting killed him which ironically is how he always votes himself. Without Covid he probably would have survived that mistake, but that was a Catch-22 as they are intimately tied together.

I did not know this and I am greatly amused by it if it's true

Dr. Racket wrote:

Runningart2004 wrote:

So I think it's all environmental. I am driven to be better than those around me, to complete more tasks, etc. I also don't care about "things" so much.

That's the point - whatever you value most, you tend to want more of it than your neighbors. If you lack it (whatever it may be), then you tend to be less happy (and remember this can occur on a long scale - "less happy" can mean 90/100).

And consider this - for most people, wealth is a gateway to other highly valued things. Perhaps you don't value money, but money (in America at least) provides access to better security, education, health, time, etc.

The lack of money prevents you from achieving certain other things. But having more money is not a solution to a lot of other problems. I think having "enough" money to achieve things I want to achieve is good enough for me, and I don't envy other people for having more money.

As long as I get to choose (a) whom I compare myself with, and (b) on what I compare myself with those people, it's very hard for me yo fail. And those are largely our choices.

Marietta Tar Heel wrote:

Get your wife to post on here. I'm tired of talking an fvcking idiot like you.

It's "to a fvcking idiot".

Best to get your grammar and everything perfect if you call someone an idiot.

I know more than you. You are now trolling, and I will not respond to you again.

Dr. Racket wrote:

Runningart2004 wrote:

So I think it's all environmental. I am driven to be better than those around me, to complete more tasks, etc. I also don't care about "things" so much.

That's the point - whatever you value most, you tend to want more of it than your neighbors. If you lack it (whatever it may be), then you tend to be less happy (and remember this can occur on a long scale - "less happy" can mean 90/100).

And consider this - for most people, wealth is a gateway to other highly valued things. Perhaps you don't value money, but money (in America at least) provides access to better security, education, health, time, etc.

Ah I see, and agree.

I would say I value recognition so I strive to achieve things that result in recognition from my peers. When I don't get that then I get upset. I got second in the academic standing at an Army school (Senior Leader Course, an important school in my professional development) and that bugged me for quite a bit. I still achieved the Commandants List and was recognized for that, but not being first when it was up for grabs had me down in the dumps for a few days.

Alan

L L wrote:

You’re just saying that Trump campaigned better than Hillary in the rust states and that’s because he lied without impunity.

Republican policies are not better for the working class.

As far as elitism:

Democrats are in favor of free college and trade schools.

Money shouldn’t be a reason to drop out of college.

And college debt makes home ownership and simply cost of living more difficult.

Trump’s pro coal polices have not helped coal miners.

These workers could be setting up wind and solar farms.

They could be setting up infrastructure to expand broadband to more rural areas.

Democrat policies are better for the working class, including those with no college education.

Again, access to more healthcare is a big help to them.

Republicans suck at helping anyone but themselves or their donors.

1) Hillary didn't even go to some of those states. She should have. Trump outworker her, not because he's a hard worker, but because he's a narcissist and loved those rallies.

2) I agree that Democrat policies are better for the working class, BUT perception is important, and many of them became upset with Democrats for the reasons I listed.

3) Democrats have NOT been very good at their message about college. It is the 4-year and above college that puts people behind the 8 ball financially, not trade schools, AND Democrats always talk about "college". They NEVER emphasize trade schools. Should have done that with every breath that they talked about college. Even there, it's not quite equivalent. Free college means a $200,000 or more advantage to a 4-year college-bound person. Free trade school is maybe $30,000 for 2 years. MORE needs to be done for these working class people.

4) Regarding Trump and coal, and Trump and anything, you are preaching to the choir with me. Democrat leadership needs to do more to reach the working class. It should almost be their primary function. Today, as we are in 2021, the working class, especially white working class are the biggest snowflakes of them all. They need some attention. Just having policies that educated elites say are good for them doesn't necessarily make them ok with that.

5) While I agree with you about health care, working class people want more money and more opportunity sans college. Democrats need to think about what it's like being in their shoes.

6) Again, I agree with you about Republicans...current and former GOP before Trump ruined it. Democrats need to change their messaging. They can't just assume blue collar people are with them anymore.

Trollminator wrote:

Sally Vix wrote:

LL - I voted for Trump not because I am a Trumpist. But because I DESPISE things that you Dems/Libs are for. One question for you - Just one - Do you support Partial Birth abortion? Your answer will tell me EVERYTHING I need to know about you.

1. You are a trumper to the bone. I told you so and you just admitted it.

2. If you gave a flying fk about abortions you would not have been ok with trump guzzling that aborted fetus cocktail to recover faster from COVID.

You are a fkn liar and hypocrite.

Yep...(abortion OR life in general) or the fact that there are at least 8 credible accusations against Trump for paying for abortions for his mistresses, or the fact tens of thousands of people died minimum as a result of his mishandling of the coronavirus, or the fact that 5 people lost their lives as a direct result of Trump's inciting a riot on Jan. 6.

Sally is a Trumper.

Sally is a moron.

Sally is a POS human.

Trollminator wrote:

https://www.npr.org/2021/01/09/955087860/can-trump-pardon-himself

Neal Katyal says no. I'll go with his thought on that. Logic says no. It should probably be made crystal clear in the Constitution that a President can not pardon himself.