Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

Fat hurts wrote:

I am someone who understands about evidence. I want Trump to be tried and convicted for his role in the riots. That will require real evidence from real witnesses rather than hearsay from Sasse.

I know. You want to wait until after Trump drops a few nukes on blue cities, and then you'll demand video proof plus Trump admitting he pushed the button. Without the two proofs you won't convict.

Trollminator wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

How do you know that it's really Trump posting on Parler?

He joined, posted then the account was taken private. It’s @ThePotus45. Lin Wood is now spreading the word on the president looking into military options with his most trusted generals.

Fat hurts wants more proof than that. He wants to be given access to the private account. Then he will wait until Trump posts a live video, and the video he won't believe until Trump mentions him by name during the live feed. That still might not be enough proof.

Of course I am making fun of Fat hurts because his demand for "evidence" is at the Sally level. It cannot be true even if it is true.

Flagpole wrote:

Free college is not a good idea for many reasons, but one of those reasons is it unintentionally diminishes those who don't go to college. We should actively value those who do not go to college. If a Democrat President or Democrat presidential candidate would actively seek to embrace the non-college educated crowd and consistently tell them how much we value what they do, that would go a long way toward fixing their disenfranchisement.

Well, shucks, here I am agreeing with FP. Will wonders never cease.

The major thesis of "The Bell Curve" (subsequently drowned out by discussions of its secondary data about racial disparities) is that Americans are increasingly being stratified/segregated by intelligence and its proxies, particularly levels of education. And one of its prescriptions was that people, especially those in the upper strata of education, needed to value the work of *everyone*.

That may be easier for those of us who have families with widely varying education attainments (from not finishing high school to doctorates), but, as the book pointed out, such families--and friendship circles--are increasingly rare, and everyone, especially the so-called elites, needs to make a *conscious* effort to look for and appreciate the contributions that are made by all.

NBC News:

In a speech ahead of the 2016 Republican presidential contest in which both men would compete, the former Texas governor framed Trump as an unchecked demagogue and chose a striking historical image to illustrate his point: A mob attack on Washington.

Perry described an 1854 assault on the nation’s capital in which members of the nativist Know-Nothing movement accosted a guard and destroyed slabs of marble that were meant to complete the Washington Monument. Their goal was to thwart an imagined conspiracy about the Pope taking over the government.

“These people built nothing, created nothing. They existed to cast blame and tear down certain institutions. To give outlet to anger,” Perry said. “Donald Trump is the modern-day incarnation of the Know-Nothing movement.”

Trump, of course, was elected president that year and Perry would serve as energy secretary in his administration.

Trump is looking at hiring the A-Team as his impeachment obfuscation team. Giuliani and Dershowitz are top team members.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/09/politics/donald-trump-impeachment-lawyers-dershowitz-giuliani/index.html

oc local wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

I am someone who understands about evidence. I want Trump to be tried and convicted for his role in the riots. That will require real evidence from real witnesses rather than hearsay from Sasse.

I know. You want to wait until after Trump drops a few nukes on blue cities, and then you'll demand video proof plus Trump admitting he pushed the button. Without the two proofs you won't convict.

So you want to impeach and convict without evidence? Is that your stance?

Why are you opposed to hearing the truth?

on this note, I can honestly say that I interact with exactly nobody who looks like the violent gang that overran the capital. Maybe a brother in law is the closest but not really.

The vastness of the gulf between m/gas and coastal dems is astonishing and cannot be overcome.

If you want help non college educated workers, raising minimum wage would help.

Especially in the south where the state minimum equals the federal minimum.

The rate was last raised in 2009.

Since the 2010 midterms, Republicans have had the majority in either the House or Senate and have blocked an increase ever since.

If you want to help them, you provide better healthcare.

If you want to help them, you provide better social security benefits.

If you want to help them, you provide better welfare in tough times.

The idea that Republicans care more about non college educated workers is ludicrous.

oc local wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

I am someone who understands about evidence. I want Trump to be tried and convicted for his role in the riots. That will require real evidence from real witnesses rather than hearsay from Sasse.

I know. You want to wait until after Trump drops a few nukes on blue cities, and then you'll demand video proof plus Trump admitting he pushed the button. Without the two proofs you won't convict.

So you admit then that there's no evidence that he incited the 'riot'

oc local wrote:

Trump is looking at hiring the A-Team as his impeachment obfuscation team. Giuliani and Dershowitz are top team members.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/09/politics/donald-trump-impeachment-lawyers-dershowitz-giuliani/index.html

Giuliani is responsible for the Ukraine impeachment and for Trump's current predicament. The idea of asking the Ukraine president to go after Biden was undoubtedly Giuliani's. It was also Giuliani that convinced Trump that Pence could reject electoral votes and force a one vote per state resolution.

I don't understand why he continues to allow Giuliani to destroy his life instead of having him taken outside and shot.

This has been interesting. My best white friend and I have stopped talking post-insurrection. He’s upset. He’s a huge Trump loyalist and I’ve been riding him hard the last year or so, but we always just move on. But something has changed. He works for a Christian institution and is the epitome of white supremacy etc. but is in a leadership position. He really thought Jan 6 was going to be the truth. I’m giving him his space but he hasn’t called or texted since. Sad friends for 20 years.

L L wrote:

If you want help non college educated workers, raising minimum wage would help.

Especially in the south where the state minimum equals the federal minimum.

The rate was last raised in 2009.

Since the 2010 midterms, Republicans have had the majority in either the House or Senate and have blocked an increase ever since.

If you want to help them, you provide better healthcare.

If you want to help them, you provide better social security benefits.

If you want to help them, you provide better welfare in tough times.

The idea that Republicans care more about non college educated workers is ludicrous.

+1.

Obama did a lot, too, about fostering worker retraining programs, Community and Technical College educations as a way of getting a job which pays a living wage, and other ideas.

seattle prattle wrote:

L L wrote:

If you want help non college educated workers, raising minimum wage would help.

Especially in the south where the state minimum equals the federal minimum.

The rate was last raised in 2009.

Since the 2010 midterms, Republicans have had the majority in either the House or Senate and have blocked an increase ever since.

If you want to help them, you provide better healthcare.

If you want to help them, you provide better social security benefits.

If you want to help them, you provide better welfare in tough times.

The idea that Republicans care more about non college educated workers is ludicrous.

+1.

Obama did a lot, too, about fostering worker retraining programs, Community and Technical College educations as a way of getting a job which pays a living wage, and other ideas.

IT'S NOT ABOUT ECONOMICS

Trump relieves the humiliation felt by non-coastal elites. he's one of them - he hates the blacks and the browns too, he talks badly, he has bad taste, he has multiple marriages, he has legal trouble, he lives as large as he can.

agip wrote:

seattle prattle wrote:

+1.

Obama did a lot, too, about fostering worker retraining programs, Community and Technical College educations as a way of getting a job which pays a living wage, and other ideas.

IT'S NOT ABOUT ECONOMICS

Trump relieves the humiliation felt by non-coastal elites. he's one of them - he hates the blacks and the browns too, he talks badly, he has bad taste, he has multiple marriages, he has legal trouble, he lives as large as he can.

point is, Trump is one of them, and there is no way an African American who went to Columbia and talks like a professor could ever get their support.

Trump is one of them. That's his appeal.

Not any policy.

Fat hurts wrote:

Why are you opposed to hearing the truth?

YOU don't want to hear the real truth. You want to hear the Parlor version.

Paradoxical wrote:

So you admit then that there's no evidence that he incited the 'riot'

Sally? Again?

ndeisn wrote:

This has been interesting. My best white friend and I have stopped talking post-insurrection. He’s upset. He’s a huge Trump loyalist and I’ve been riding him hard the last year or so, but we always just move on. But something has changed. He works for a Christian institution and is the epitome of white supremacy etc. but is in a leadership position. He really thought Jan 6 was going to be the truth. I’m giving him his space but he hasn’t called or texted since. Sad friends for 20 years.

You should consider it a blessing.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

oc local wrote:

Trump is looking at hiring the A-Team as his impeachment obfuscation team. Giuliani and Dershowitz are top team members.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/09/politics/donald-trump-impeachment-lawyers-dershowitz-giuliani/index.html

Giuliani is responsible for the Ukraine impeachment and for Trump's current predicament. The idea of asking the Ukraine president to go after Biden was undoubtedly Giuliani's. It was also Giuliani that convinced Trump that Pence could reject electoral votes and force a one vote per state resolution.

I don't understand why he continues to allow Giuliani to destroy his life instead of having him taken outside and shot.

The two are both old, TV lawyers. That is why they are Trump's top picks. Maybe he will add Judge Jeanine, another TV lawyer of advanced age like Trump.

oc local wrote:

Paradoxical wrote:

So you admit then that there's no evidence that he incited the 'riot'

Sally? Again?

it's going to be very hard and probably impossible to prove that Trump told the crowd to overrun the capitol building. Trump did not do that.

Rudy did recommend violence tho, so he could be legal hot water.

But trump...not so much.