Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

agip wrote:

Dr. Racket wrote:

Democracies don't fall to force. They fall because they're handed away on a silver platter

A third of the nation has decided it doesn't want to go along with facts and truth.

I don't see it that way and I don't think it's as simple as a mere appeal to facts. . Yes, his supporters should shoulder some of the blame, we can be certain of that - they've failed to do some due diligence and been careless with their trust. But they're also ordinary people who have been relentlessly lied to, taken advantage of, and used by Trump and others for political or monetary gain.

Fat hurts wrote:

agip wrote:

the most m/ga thing ever said.

Trump, distilled.

The police are supposed to shoot black people and defend the m/gas.

https://twitter.com/lizzywol/status/1347229910469910530?s=20

I suspect that the quote is fabricated.

it's possible.

but that sentiment is everywhere.

m/gas think blm and antifa are violent extremists out to burn it all down. They think cities are smoldering from BLM marches. Not much of a leap to thinking the police are supposed to shoot BLMers.

Source is not great - in 'independent' journalist:

agip wrote:

Schumer and AOC have called for removal.

Pelosi will speak at 1:00

Neither camera of congress is scheduled to meet until after the inauguration.

I'm no lawyer so I'll be interested to hear opinions from experts, but I think 25th Amendment isn't the way to go and could set a bad precedent. I also think it betrays the direct intent of the Amendment. Could be wrong though.

Impeachment and removal from office is the much better route in my opinion.

Trollminator wrote:

Marietta Tar Heel wrote:

I strive to be better than that.

You should too.

STOP NOW.

Ah, it is you Sally!

You are truly a fvcking idiot.

You are in the wrong here. That's a fact, not opinion. There's a reason no one here is defending your actions.

It is a not a matter of liberalism vs conservatism or Trump vs Biden. It is a matter of ethics and morality. Neither side should engage in these antics.

Marietta Tar Heel wrote:

Not sure I would use the term "dumb," but we did have a significant number of Sanders supporters who threatened to not vote for Biden because he was too moderate.

Bear in mind that in 2016 just about one out of eight who voted for Bernie in the primary voted for Donald in the general.

No offense, but you are quite the excitable fellow. I know, it is just your nature - you have shown it repeatedly on this thread over the last 4 years.

You are basically Piglet. Your scenarios are for excitable children to breathlessly argue over while the adults are not watching.

Bad day. Trump's an a-hole. Nothing's going down your scenarios route.

Dr. Racket wrote:

agip wrote:

Schumer and AOC have called for removal.

Pelosi will speak at 1:00

Neither camera of congress is scheduled to meet until after the inauguration.

I'm no lawyer so I'll be interested to hear opinions from experts, but I think 25th Amendment isn't the way to go and could set a bad precedent. I also think it betrays the direct intent of the Amendment. Could be wrong though.

Impeachment and removal from office is the much better route in my opinion.

Mental incapacitation would qualify as a disability under the 25th. It sets the correct precedent that a mentally unfit president loses control of the nuclear button and military.

Twelve days with Trump still continuing to incite his Ma/gas. He was on a call with the RNC this morning where he was cheers and made a speech. Trump is planning more insurrection. His claim of a peaceful transfer of power means only when he decides to yield it, and has nothing to do transferring power and leaving the White House on the 20th, 2021.

Rep Adam Kinzinger (R-Illinois) calls for 25th Trump's removal:

https://twitter.com/RepKinzinger/status/1347207878801846276?s=20

agip wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

I suspect that the quote is fabricated.

it's possible.

but that sentiment is everywhere.

m/gas think blm and antifa are violent extremists out to burn it all down. They think cities are smoldering from BLM marches. Not much of a leap to thinking the police are supposed to shoot BLMers.

Source is not great - in 'independent' journalist:

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/capitol-trump-insurrection-explosions/

That quote is 100% too good to be true and let's recall that many Americans were on board with police reform back in the summer

Agip is an odd fellow. It seems like he wants democracy to end, just not the way the ma/gas are going about it.

Dr. Racket wrote:

agip wrote:

it's possible.

but that sentiment is everywhere.

m/gas think blm and antifa are violent extremists out to burn it all down. They think cities are smoldering from BLM marches. Not much of a leap to thinking the police are supposed to shoot BLMers.

Source is not great - in 'independent' journalist:

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/capitol-trump-insurrection-explosions/

That quote is 100% too good to be true and let's recall that many Americans were on board with police reform back in the summer

There are some people who see it that way. Kill the bad guys. The bad guys are people who are not like us.

25th wrote:

Dr. Racket wrote:

I'm no lawyer so I'll be interested to hear opinions from experts, but I think 25th Amendment isn't the way to go and could set a bad precedent. I also think it betrays the direct intent of the Amendment. Could be wrong though.

Impeachment and removal from office is the much better route in my opinion.

Mental incapacitation would qualify as a disability under the 25th. It sets the correct precedent that a mentally unfit president loses control of the nuclear button and military.

Seems like a high bar to clear. He's lucid (I mean, I guess). I think impeachment and removal would be a great opportunity for Rs to take back control of the party because it's quite clear where Trump and the "there is no real truth" sentiment is headed - straight up anarchy.

s*it hole country wrote:

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From just the ITV video posted here earlier, I was surprised to see a few non-white protesters inside the Capitol - one even "interviewed" by the reporter. So, I don't think that it was all white nationalists in the mob., although I'd assume the majority were.

Dr. Racket wrote:

agip wrote:

it's possible.

but that sentiment is everywhere.

m/gas think blm and antifa are violent extremists out to burn it all down. They think cities are smoldering from BLM marches. Not much of a leap to thinking the police are supposed to shoot BLMers.

Source is not great - in 'independent' journalist:

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/capitol-trump-insurrection-explosions/

That quote is 100% too good to be true and let's recall that many Americans were on board with police reform back in the summer

Agreed.

Is there even a source for that quote?

Paradoxical wrote:

agip wrote:

there is no chance a rebel army will form and need a supply chain

there is a solid chance armed m/ga gangs will take over state houses and assassinate a few people. Then melt back into rural Michigan or Idaho.

How exactly has the US fared against guerilla forces in the past? I don't think it will ever come to a full-on war between the military and its citizens but I think you underestimate the power that a guerilla-type outfit really has.

Also, why do people always assume that those in the military would automatically take the side of someone like Biden, especially as those on the left continually disparage the military on a regular basis.

Who is disparaging the military? Even during the Viet Nam War, the focus of the protests was LBJ and then Nixon. The stories of hippys spitting on returning soldiers are urban myths.

Dr. Racket wrote:

25th wrote:

Mental incapacitation would qualify as a disability under the 25th. It sets the correct precedent that a mentally unfit president loses control of the nuclear button and military.

Seems like a high bar to clear. He's lucid (I mean, I guess). I think impeachment and removal would be a great opportunity for Rs to take back control of the party because it's quite clear where Trump and the "there is no real truth" sentiment is headed - straight up anarchy.

Your bar is only high because you are setting it there. Mentally incompetent and in control of the military and nukes. How high is your bar to stop that?

Dr. Racket wrote:

agip wrote:

Schumer and AOC have called for removal.

Pelosi will speak at 1:00

Neither camera of congress is scheduled to meet until after the inauguration.

I'm no lawyer so I'll be interested to hear opinions from experts, but I think 25th Amendment isn't the way to go and could set a bad precedent. I also think it betrays the direct intent of the Amendment. Could be wrong though.

Impeachment and removal from office is the much better route in my opinion.

I'm not a lawyer either, but I do agree with you.

Impeachment is preferable because would bar Trump from ever holding public office again. And that is arguably even more important than removing him from office now.

Here are some details coming out on Trump's invasions of the capital.

-- The ma/ga who sat at Pelosi's said he was ready to die to achieve his goal. He also stole a document from her desk which he claims was not stealing because he left a quarter.

-- At least on ma/ga has hand cuffs on him as he stormed the Capital. Citizen's arrests of non-compliant members of Congress seems a possibility.

-- The ma/gas seemed unconcerned about any casualties of people inside the building.