7:17.55! Jakob Ingebrigtsen DESTROYS 3000m WR

Armstronglivs wrote:

The endless repetitious excuses here don't change the facts. He ran a mediocre 10k time - it wasn't world class - en route to a poor HM result - he finished 34th and his time was slower than the women's record. (It was also slower than what Kerr has run, and he has never claimed to be a "HM man".)

The excuses amount to little more than saying he was a) tired after a long season and b) he wasn't trained for the distance. If that is so then no professional athlete would choose to enter under such conditions. There is nothing to gain and everything to lose. But as to the first point - he was tired - he himself hasn't said that and those who easily beat him had similarly endured a long competitive season, while also competing in longer and more demanding events. If he hadn't recovered from his last DL race he wouldn't have competed in such a challenging race. As to his training - he believes it suits any distance and has said so. No one outside the apologists on this board has prattled on to try to put a gloss on what was a failure for an athlete of his standing. He has simply shown he badly misjudged his capacity. He tried to go with the leaders but couldn't and blew up. The HM is not and will not be his "best" distance.

Armstronglivs wrote:

The endless repetitious excuses here don't change the facts. He ran a mediocre 10k time - it wasn't world class - en route to a poor HM result - he finished 34th and his time was slower than the women's record. (It was also slower than what Kerr has run, and he has never claimed to be a "HM man".)

The excuses amount to little more than saying he was a) tired after a long season and b) he wasn't trained for the distance. If that is so then no professional athlete would choose to enter under such conditions. There is nothing to gain and everything to lose. But as to the first point - he was tired - he himself hasn't said that and those who easily beat him had similarly endured a long competitive season, while also competing in longer and more demanding events. If he hadn't recovered from his last DL race he wouldn't have competed in such a challenging race. As to his training - he believes it suits any distance and has said so. No one outside the apologists on this board has prattled on to try to put a gloss on what was a failure for an athlete of his standing. He has simply shown he badly misjudged his capacity. He tried to go with the leaders but couldn't and blew up. The HM is not and will not be his "best" distance.

Armstronglivs wrote:

The endless repetitious excuses here don't change the facts. He ran a mediocre 10k time - it wasn't world class - en route to a poor HM result - he finished 34th and his time was slower than the women's record. (It was also slower than what Kerr has run, and he has never claimed to be a "HM man".)

The excuses amount to little more than saying he was a) tired after a long season and b) he wasn't trained for the distance. If that is so then no professional athlete would choose to enter under such conditions. There is nothing to gain and everything to lose. But as to the first point - he was tired - he himself hasn't said that and those who easily beat him had similarly endured a long competitive season, while also competing in longer and more demanding events. If he hadn't recovered from his last DL race he wouldn't have competed in such a challenging race. As to his training - he believes it suits any distance and has said so. No one outside the apologists on this board has prattled on to try to put a gloss on what was a failure for an athlete of his standing. He has simply shown he badly misjudged his capacity. He tried to go with the leaders but couldn't and blew up. The HM is not and will not be his "best" distance.

justanothercuriousdude wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

Nobody said it was world class, but rather national class. It would be the record in most nations.

No one said he was tired, including Jakob -- that was you building a strawman.

Jakob gave pre-race "excuses" giving clear indications about what to expect. Why wouldn't he jump into an unimportant off-distance race after the end of his season? Jakob told us he was looking forward to this first test and excited to see if he could finish. After all, there was nothing to lose after the Olympics and Diamond League were finished.

It's too early for me to say if HM will be his best distance. We won't know until he tries.

This was not an unimportant off-distance race -it was Jakob’s first in the distance he for a long time has claimed is his best. And he chose the most hyped HM in the season, with the record holder, and the world champ together with the best pacer ever. And Jakob chose this race despite having only 36 hours of rest -clearly it was important for him to be in this race (that he knew was set up for WR pace, and not a better suited, random one in a month or two..)

Jakob’s brother Filip, who now officially is Jakob’s coach, said at racing day: “Everybody gets nervous when Jakob is on the starting line!” And he did not add: But of course he has no chance to follow the big guys in their WR pace.

Why didn’t Filip add this sentence I proposed? -Clearly because he and Jakob had a hope..!

Jakob could have chosen a random low key race some time later instead, and stressed that he f.ex would try to do a not all out race, but a progressive one in f.x 61 flat, to gain experience, and to see if he needs to change anything in his training for HM. But I don’t think he ever has had a thought like that; I think he seriously has thought that HM is his best event based on his overall training…

The following would have been fun: Jakob apologising for his disrespect for the distance, and to his so much better competitors , and some words about trying to come back to the event in some years, with a far better and more realistic approach..!

justanothercuriousdude wrote:

This was not an unimportant off-distance race -it was Jakob’s first in the distance he for a long time has claimed is his best. And he chose the most hyped HM in the season, with the record holder, and the world champ together with the best pacer ever. And Jakob chose this race despite having only 36 hours of rest -clearly it was important for him to be in this race (that he knew was set up for WR pace, and not a better suited, random one in a month or two..)

Jakob’s brother Filip, who now officially is Jakob’s coach, said at racing day: “Everybody gets nervous when Jakob is on the starting line!” And he did not add: But of course he has no chance to follow the big guys in their WR pace.

Why didn’t Filip add this sentence I proposed? -Clearly because he and Jakob had a hope..!

Jakob could have chosen a random low key race some time later instead, and stressed that he f.ex would try to do a not all out race, but a progressive one in f.x 61 flat, to gain experience, and to see if he needs to change anything in his training for HM. But I don’t think he ever has had a thought like that; I think he seriously has thought that HM is his best event based on his overall training…

The following would have been fun: Jakob apologising for his disrespect for the distance, and to his so much better competitors , and some words about trying to come back to the event in some years, with a far better and more realistic approach..!