Is The RunningLane Course 5K? Or Is It Short?

You spent so much time questioning the course length and measuring method, what difference would the finish line matter?

There were only 8 run on Hunt? Just give me a couple you saw.

( This is a psych test for NPR runner to see just how hard he/she/they is going to work to be useless. Fascinating, isn't it? Why would someone bother? What is ze getting out of it? What's the point? )

Hey! That's NP runner. Don't slag off NPR by association.

big bop wrote:

You spent so much time questioning the course length and measuring method, what difference would the finish line matter?

Because the location of the 2021 finish line is in question. That's why I'm questioning it.

OK. That was fun. I'm done with this now. If anyone has any images I'm looking for, then let's hear about it, but I'm sure I can get what I want from the other races.

Ok I'll bite. This is the sectional course for the area last two years. Southern Showcase X2. Randolph/John hunt invitational (multiple meets the last two years), so maybe 4 total there. Running lane x 2. Actually that puts me closer to 10. Whoops, my bad.

I would check the seismograph readings over the last two years to make sure that the ground hasn’t shifted and thus causing the course to be short. Can’t rule anything out.

that isn't what it stands for. Don't worry.

I'm sure he will leave no stone or fault line unturned.

NPR is a national treasure.

nprunner47 wrote:

Ok I'll bite. This is the sectional course for the area last two years. Southern Showcase X2. Randolph/John hunt invitational (multiple meets the last two years), so maybe 4 total there. Running lane x 2. Actually that puts me closer to 10. Whoops, my bad.

Thanks! That's a positive contribution. Now I have some videos to watch this weekend. You're reward will be that I will tell you what I find on this issue, but the outcome isn't really in doubt.

I can hardly wait.

I think the course was a bit long when Hutchins broke Tuohy's record.

Thanks to the “Watergirl” we have the perfect perspective for a race run in October 2021 and the finish is “pretty damn close” to the 2021 finish line. Good enough to settle the issue. We had a credible claim that it had been pulled in and shortened for RL 2021, but that has been thoroughly debunked. Thanks guys.

It is a dedicated, permanent, unchanging course. You lost your credibility by believing that the finish would have moved.

bald loser wrote:

It is a dedicated, permanent, unchanging course. You lost your credibility by believing that the finish would have moved.

So I lose credibility for questioning everything? It’s that kind of logic that confuses everyone.

Everything about Detweiller was known until we found out it wasn’t. It was also a permanently

Marked course.

Detweiller is a junior high type course doing 3 loops around 2 fields in a park. That is like comparing measuring a loop around the parking lot outside of the football stadium at Oregon and running some all-comers races on it every spring while the NCAA meet is going on at the Oregon track. Then you come on here and question the length of the 2 tracks and the finish line of both. It seem like you are unfamiliar with courses like John Hunt. It is like Terre Haute or Missouri or Wisconsin. The courses are permanent. They are dedicated. They do not move. They are not like Detweiller which is in a public park and just runs around the trees and down the side of the road.

Jagged Jag wrote:

Detweiller is a junior high type course doing 3 loops around 2 fields in a park. That is like comparing measuring a loop around the parking lot outside of the football stadium at Oregon and running some all-comers races on it every spring while the NCAA meet is going on at the Oregon track. Then you come on here and question the length of the 2 tracks and the finish line of both. It seem like you are unfamiliar with courses like John Hunt. It is like Terre Haute or Missouri or Wisconsin. The courses are permanent. They are dedicated. They do not move. They are not like Detweiller which is in a public park and just runs around the trees and down the side of the road.

The bolded part of your message sounds a lot like Balboa Park which is also a dedicated course. Are you suggesting that a course like Balboa has no historical significance in high school XC performance. Some pretty good high school runners have competed at Detweiller over the years as well despite it being a "junior high type course".

John Hunt is a relatively new course with designed, beautiful construction and perfect fairway-type footing that very few XC courses can equal. The high school course records set at John Hunt in just the last two years are much faster than the records at Terre Haute, Wisconsin, Balboa, etc. I believe Disco Gary said that Detweiller is very slightly shorter than 3.00 miles and Detweiller has course records of 13:49.9 (Josh Methner) and 15:53.8 (Judy Pendergast). The records at John Hunt are not that much slower, 14:03.29 (Colin Sahlman) and 15:58.42 (Jenna Hutchins). Josh Methner won Foot Locker and was second to Nico Young at NXN, and Judy Pendergast won NXN Midwest at Terre Haute by nearly half-a-minute (17:00), was second to Taylor Werner at Foot Locker Midwest in Wisconsin, 8th at NXN and 4th at Foot Locker (won by Weini Kelati with Taylor Werner 5th).

Jagged Jag wrote:

Detweiller is a junior high type course doing 3 loops around 2 fields in a park. That is like comparing measuring a loop around the parking lot outside of the football stadium at Oregon and running some all-comers races on it every spring while the NCAA meet is going on at the Oregon track. Then you come on here and question the length of the 2 tracks and the finish line of both. It seem like you are unfamiliar with courses like John Hunt. It is like Terre Haute or Missouri or Wisconsin. The courses are permanent. They are dedicated. They do not move. They are not like Detweiller which is in a public park and just runs around the trees and down the side of the road.

Detweiller is a permanently marked course with monuments embedded in the ground to define the start, the finish, and any turns not defined by trees.

This is what losing credibility looks like. You don’t lose credibility asking questions. You lose credibility making assertions that are easily proven wrong.

There are several trees used as markers and there are several stakes that can be moved. It can easily be mistaken if it goes inside our outside of some trees. The gravel stream crossing could get washed out. It is far from a permanent course. Go there on a weekend and it is full of soccer games and picnics and no sign of a course.