Ultraboy wrote:Bullshit, my dad NEVER ran 100mpw in training, most he did was about 80, most weeks around the 65 mark. But he ran 11:38 for 100 miles.Well then your dad was gifted and quite the exception. And I should qualify that yes, experienced ultra runners could also do it.
I agree about no challenge - I also agree he could not replicate his 'feat.' Plus he has been proven to have cheated on his attempt.
If anything else is to be done, it would be to demand documentation of his alleged PRs or to have them replicated a la Rossi type challenge. All the other goofy pseudo-marathons smell a lot like the iranmarathons garbage.. As to his backstory, it's hard to refute that unless his actual family members come out against it.
There would be too many moving parts to the challenge - too hard to monitor three marathons and never mind the fact that ry does live in this country.
Karma wins every time, I'd rely on that.
Dirk Diggler.. wrote:
. As to his backstory, it's hard to refute that unless his actual family members come out against it.
I think given what we know about his claims in general that it is safe to assume that none of it is true unless some proof is forthcoming - which should be the default position with believing anything really.
N.B. Proof is not "He's a nice guy doing it for the kids"
I've reached out to Sarah Lyall, she wrote this: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/10/sports/julie-miller-ironman-triathlon-cheat.html in regards to Julie Miller, another obvious cheat who also has refused to admit to it. If anyone isn't familiar with that story, highly recommend reading that article, great read! Would love for Letsrun to hire Sarah to write a similar article...
triathleteguru wrote:
I've reached out to Sarah Lyall, she wrote this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/10/sports/julie-miller-ironman-triathlon-cheat.htmlin regards to Julie Miller, another obvious cheat who also has refused to admit to it. If anyone isn't familiar with that story, highly recommend reading that article, great read! Would love for Letsrun to hire Sarah to write a similar article...
The legs tell the story without needing any other evidence
Alongside "I have not yet begun to fight" and 'The only thing we have to fear is fear itself," the report authors have coined a new phrase for immortality:
"Pre-Geezer Observation Period."
Kudos to investigators on sticking to the data and making sense of it. Wouldn't have expected cadence to be the true smoking gun.
Question: if HR is also suggested as a reliable data point, how does one get that information consistently? I've heard differing opinions about optical HR, and my chest was torn to shreds on 35 mpw with a strap and Body Glide. Can't imagine contemplating a strap for 3000 miles.
I think given what we know about his claims in general that it is safe to assume that none of it is true unless some proof is forthcoming - which should be the default position with believing anything really.
Yes, it's one thing believing that someone has had a rough childhood, but the whole part about his dad hammering a nail through his foot and then nailing him to a wall... Frankly it sound like something out of Monty Python's Flying Circus.
"He nailed your head to the floor?"
"At first, yeah."
https://youtu.be/2jmnspyj-eY?t=4m59sSteen_DK wrote:
I think given what we know about his claims in general that it is safe to assume that none of it is true unless some proof is forthcoming - which should be the default position with believing anything really.Yes, it's one thing believing that someone has had a rough childhood, but the whole part about his dad hammering a nail through his foot and then nailing him to a wall... Frankly it sound like something out of Monty Python's Flying Circus.
"He nailed your head to the floor?"
"At first, yeah."
https://youtu.be/2jmnspyj-eY?t=4m59s
If the goal is to sell lots of books and rake in pity money, saying you were abused does not have the same power as claiming you had nails driven through your extremities.
Sounds like a messiah complex...
Run4Sausages2016 wrote:
Sounds like a messiah complex...
He's not the messiah he's a very naughty boy.
As in Life of Brian https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lN4TSslz-0
Some of you blokes take this quite seriously, eh?
triathleteguru wrote:
I've reached out to Sarah Lyall, she wrote this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/10/sports/julie-miller-ironman-triathlon-cheat.htmlin regards to Julie Miller, another obvious cheat who also has refused to admit to it. If anyone isn't familiar with that story, highly recommend reading that article, great read! Would love for Letsrun to hire Sarah to write a similar article...
Gettin' Real wrote:
Some of you blokes take this quite seriously, eh?
triathleteguru wrote:I've reached out to Sarah Lyall, she wrote this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/10/sports/julie-miller-ironman-triathlon-cheat.htmlin regards to Julie Miller, another obvious cheat who also has refused to admit to it. If anyone isn't familiar with that story, highly recommend reading that article, great read! Would love for Letsrun to hire Sarah to write a similar article...
Yes, seems you do too. He reached out to Sarah and you've reached out to us. Projecting much?
"Psychological projection is a theory in psychology in which humans defend themselves against their own unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others."
Racergirl wrote:
Typed too soon - you're right, he has already been removed on their website. Although for LRers it's a no-brainer, as a charity it's a tough call between needing those funds (which are auditable and above board here in the UK) and having to consider under what circumstances and by whom those funds are raised. If RY has genuinely raised £200,000 for them (for the US amongst you, post-Brexit this amounts to about $13.76) then it's a tough call to wave goodbye to that.
Look like the East Sheen Collective resident quack, Dr Christian Kipps, is standing by his man:
http://www.putneyclinic.co.uk/marathon-man-uk/You know, the Dr Kipps who said RY had become "a person of special scientific interest" and "Rob Young’s ability to run marathons day after day is astonishing. He is re-writing the textbooks.". Seems there's a lot of "re-writing" going on about the "astonishing" "Marathon Man" now.
Gettin' Real wrote:
Some of you blokes take this quite seriously, eh?
There has never been a cheating thread where people haven't used your angle, they tend to be trolls or people very uncomfortable with the idea that people take cheating very seriously. I always get the impression that you people are a little too defensive to be the unconcerned commentators you typically present yourselves to be.
Gettin' Real wrote:
Some of you blokes take this quite seriously, eh?
Yeah, some of use do. Many will continue to do so until Rob apologizes and owns up to his cheating. Put me in the camp of those who don't believe a bit of his history, be it his athletic history or his tragic childhood. He lost the right to be believed when it became obvious he is a liar/cheater. Would love to see Rob called to task and face possible criminal fraud charges.
I've sent the following email to Dr Kipps at: info@putneyclinic.co.ukSubject: Attn: Dr Courtney Kipps Re: Rob Young Investigation by Professors Roger Pielke, Jr. and Ross Tucker Dear Dr Kipps you may be interested in the following link: "It’s Official: Marathon Man Robert Young Exposed As A Complete Fraud After Independent Investigation - Robert Young is an ultramarathon cheat."http://www.letsrun.com/news/2016/10/robert-young-inspiration-fraud/Forwarded for your information.
East Sheen Collective wrote:
Racergirl wrote:Typed too soon - you're right, he has already been removed on their website. Although for LRers it's a no-brainer, as a charity it's a tough call between needing those funds (which are auditable and above board here in the UK) and having to consider under what circumstances and by whom those funds are raised. If RY has genuinely raised £200,000 for them (for the US amongst you, post-Brexit this amounts to about $13.76) then it's a tough call to wave goodbye to that.
Look like the East Sheen Collective resident quack, Dr Christian Kipps, is standing by his man:
http://www.putneyclinic.co.uk/marathon-man-uk/You know, the Dr Kipps who said RY had become "a person of special scientific interest" and "Rob Young’s ability to run marathons day after day is astonishing. He is re-writing the textbooks.". Seems there's a lot of "re-writing" going on about the "astonishing" "Marathon Man" now.
From Laz on the ulist:
at last, the RY saga has come to an end,
but the geezer team had one last promise to keep.
now that the whole sordid affair has come to its conclusion,
the remaining funds that were contributed for us to observe the run
were passed along today to MS research in the name of the ultralist:
the geezers thank you for your willingness to contribute to defend the integrity of our sport.
and someone else thanks you as well....
Thank you for your donation of $1,520.00 to the National MS Society. We deeply appreciate your generosity.
Your gift will support MS research, programs and services, and more.
Your employer may sponsor a matching gift program that will match the donation you just made. For more information, please visit
http://www.nationalMSsociety.org/EmployerMatch
Thanks again for your support,
The National MS Society
Tell Laz that "charities" are scams and exist primarily to enrich their owners with little money actually doing anything that anyone would describe as useful. The Geezers should just have spent the money on some new running shoes or prune juice. That would have been a better use of the money than supporting corrupt businesses that call themselves "charities".
And I thought I was a cynical prick. You're right about some of them though, but dunno about the MS one.