I love how the new excuse is that we don’t have the money to go to the moon. Didn’t you guys say getting the last 238,800+ miles is the easy part? We’ve got those first few miles down pat, right? We send up thousands of satellites, sending people back and forth from ISS like it’s Grand Central, sending cars into space, boldly putting Kirk where no man has gone before. We’ve got this down. But now it’s that we don’t have the money to buy stuff?
C’mon. It’s been 18 years on this project. And you predict it’ll be 12 more until we get to the moon. 30 years? We did this already right? Multiple times right? C’mon.
It's true that getting a man out of the earth's atmosphere is the hard part. We have it "down pat", but it doesn't come cheap.
National priorities change. The moon is not the only destination in space. Since the Apollo programs, NASA started working on Skylab and the Shuttle, not to mention other interplanetary missions like sending surveyor satellites to Venus and Mars. Regarding budget cuts, NASA had foreseen 19 Apollo missions, but already by 1970, budget cuts had forced the elimination of the last two missions.
Here is what was written contemporaneously about Apollo and NASA budget cuts and what's next in "Britannica book of the year 1970"
I love how the new excuse is that we don’t have the money to go to the moon. Didn’t you guys say getting the last 238,800+ miles is the easy part? We’ve got those first few miles down pat, right? We send up thousands of satellites, sending people back and forth from ISS like it’s Grand Central, sending cars into space, boldly putting Kirk where no man has gone before. We’ve got this down. But now it’s that we don’t have the money to buy stuff?
C’mon. It’s been 18 years on this project. And you predict it’ll be 12 more until we get to the moon. 30 years? We did this already right? Multiple times right? C’mon.
It's true that getting a man out of the earth's atmosphere is the hard part. We have it "down pat", but it doesn't come cheap.
National priorities change. The moon is not the only destination in space. Since the Apollo programs, NASA started working on Skylab and the Shuttle, not to mention other interplanetary missions like sending surveyor satellites to Venus and Mars. Regarding budget cuts, NASA had foreseen 19 Apollo missions, but already by 1970, budget cuts had forced the elimination of the last two missions.
Here is what was written contemporaneously about Apollo and NASA budget cuts and what's next in "Britannica book of the year 1970"
It's true that getting a man out of the earth's atmosphere is the hard part. We have it "down pat", but it doesn't come cheap.
National priorities change. The moon is not the only destination in space. Since the Apollo programs, NASA started working on Skylab and the Shuttle, not to mention other interplanetary missions like sending surveyor satellites to Venus and Mars. Regarding budget cuts, NASA had foreseen 19 Apollo missions, but already by 1970, budget cuts had forced the elimination of the last two missions.
Here is what was written contemporaneously about Apollo and NASA budget cuts and what's next in "Britannica book of the year 1970"
Can you guys start actually debating again instead of posting stupid ad hominem oneliners? This thread got boring. Give me some nutjob paranoid spice and some righteous intellectual rage
Can you guys start actually debating again instead of posting stupid ad hominem oneliners? This thread got boring. Give me some nutjob paranoid spice and some righteous intellectual rage
Good point - The Chinese, Japanese, and Indian space programs have all imaged Apollo landing sites and either released the images or verbally confirmed their existence. I know the US dominates global politics so it would be “trivial” to get the whole world to lie for us… but at some point we are approach Bad Wigins’ scenarios - everything is fake and a simulation! If this is the argument. I have no response.
None of the deniers have actually gone on record with a prediction of the success of the Artemis or SpaceX programs! I’ll start.
Facts:
Artemis I sent the new capsule around the moon. Artemis II is scheduled to for Nov 2024 and plans to send 4 astronauts around the moon for the first time since Apollo 17 in 1972.
Required predictions to continue in this thread (Rojo endorsed):
1) Will Artemis II launch in 2024 or when (if ever) will it launch
2) Will Artemis II make it to the moon
3) Will Artemis II be manned or will this be faked? 4) If Artemis II is manned, will they return safe or will they die a horrible death in the Van Allen belts?
Good point - The Chinese, Japanese, and Indian space programs have all imaged Apollo landing sites and either released the images or verbally confirmed their existence. I know the US dominates global politics so it would be “trivial” to get the whole world to lie for us… but at some point we are approach Bad Wigins’ scenarios - everything is fake and a simulation! If this is the argument. I have no response.
I haven't participated in this debate yet. I don't know if I'm 'on the side' of anyone posting here. However, I doubt your claim of the existence of: decent pictures showing various landing sites with a resolution clearly showing all the go-karts, tire tracks, golf clubs, landing modules, golf balls, footprints, poop bags, etc. that are supposedly sitting around there....without a NASA credit or byline. I'm not saying that stuff is or isn't there. I'm saying that every picture of any of it is credited to NASA. Nobody else is showing any such thing.
Given that I have no dog in this fight, and I am not offended by any side presenting what they consider 'evidence', please post the pictures in question. At least one each Indian, Chinese, and Japanese. Just one each, all of the same site, would be a bare minimum (that's actually a stretch). And keep in mind a lot of people including full believers claim that only NASA has pics of their sites and debris. I certainly will not be offended by any such posts or links. In fact, to the contrary, I find the topic interesting enough to have clicked on the thread. So really, it comes down to this:
Let's see 9 or more photos, none of which were taken by or have been published by NASA, from 3 or more foreign sources, showing each of the Apollo landing sites....or I don't buy what you're claiming. That is not the same as saying I don't believe the whole story. I simply don't accept that anyone outside of the US government has anything that could even remotely consitute proof. I would actually like to see this stuff. I think it's fascinating. I also don't consider lack of such to be proof of fakery. It IS, however, proof that your claim is nonsense.
Within 2-3 years we will have excellent evidence in support of the possibility of extra-terrestrial human space flight.
This is the day the deniers hope never comes. It’s hard to continue the scam when there are humans orbiting the moon.
You've got this backwards, as I've said multiple times now. I hope that day DOES come. I used to believe in it, too. People aren't denying for the sake of denying. They are denying because it doesn't make sense based on how quickly it came together; on the technology at the time; the lunar lander being made out of cardboard and christmas wrapping; how evidence keeps disappearing; and, how the carrot keeps getting pushed further and further back even when every other technology has gotten easier and cheaper in the last half century.
I HOPE it happens. But it won't. Not in anyone's lifetime. Tired of being strung along.
If the moon landing was faked, why did we fake it six times in a row and then stop? Why not just keep doing it?
It had good ratings on TV, but only for a while. They had to bail out episode 3 by writing in an "accident." Later they pandered to middle class suburbanites with the "golf" thing, that's where it jumped the shark for sure.
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PGA always gets a few million viewers, and they like long boring shows.
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