Official Sub-2 Live Discussion Thread and Prediction Thread

Insightlessness wrote:

rojo wrote:

Dude, I agree it was a bad tweet. Weldon deleted it. But hell my professional credibility was 25 seconds from being smashed. I 'd have to shut down the job and get a job. Who is going to hire a 43-year old pseudo journalist who can't spell even if went to Princeton? I'd be lucky to work at McDs and aren't robots taking over there?

Really it wasn't just this one tweet, you've been a dirtbag about this all along. Well Shalane was there and in complete admiration of what he did and loved the event. All the pacers were completely supportive of it all. Maybe your opinion of the "way things should be" is archaic and irrelevant. This event was great and your attitude turned me off from your site. Bye

Perfectly stated.

I've decided I'm naming a kid "Eliud"

This man is more respectable than most elites I've seen in interviews, and even in the video ads in the middle of the race, he came off as one of the most humble elites I'd ever seen in my life. The man deserves respect that no other has really reached, save maybe Kenenisa Bekele.

LM wrote:

Social Faux Paw wrote:

You are still an idiot who doesn't see why I compared you to a Lance worshipper. Lance Armstrong did way more difficult things and gave way more out of this world performances than Kipchoge ever will. See my point?

No. Don't agree at all.

Beyond that, like everything, it's possible Kipchoge dopes. History suggests this is by far the most probable option.

It's also possible he doesn't. We don't have enough of a way to know what's possible. Kipchoge could also be a true freak that is legit 1-1.5% better than anyone else

Lance's 7 straight Tour de France victories says he does way harder things than Kipchoge ever will.

Somewhat respectable time. If only he had shown more grit. Alas, if you want something done right...

Your Ego - And Done wrote:

El Keniano wrote:

+1

Rojo, your tweet plus your commentary show that you're not a fan, you're not an admirer of people that turn themselves inside out, nor a journalist, or a website admin, you're an admirer of your own ego.

You can F*ck right off. And I'll be done with you.

+1

MarathonMind wrote:

Not only did he not break 2 but even with the most ideal conditions and aids possible and available he could not do it. And... he is the greatest living marathoner and so the best candidate to have done it.

Hopefully he hasn't jeopardized his future with this effort.

How about WE APPRECIATE THE EFFORT and THE MAN for a sec??

Jesus that was captivating.

And it has me conversing with people who couldn't give AF about the sport before this about running. That's good.

If you are butthurt about any of this or get satifaction from your "i told you he couldn't do it" comments, you have personal issues.

Social Faux Paw wrote:

LM wrote:

No. Don't agree at all.

Beyond that, like everything, it's possible Kipchoge dopes. History suggests this is by far the most probable option.

It's also possible he doesn't. We don't have enough of a way to know what's possible. Kipchoge could also be a true freak that is legit 1-1.5% better than anyone else

Lance's 7 straight Tour de France victories says he does way harder things than Kipchoge ever will.

Kipchoge has 6 straight major marathon wins.

I was thinking more in terms of out of this world performances though, not so much harder. Whether TdF is "harder" than running a marathon is subjective. Bike racing is a VERY different sport to running.

I don't think running 2:00:25, even if we agree to call it 2:02:00, is any more or less otherworldly than closing a 5 hour stage at 6.8 w/kg for 40'.

did i miss something or why is everyone on rojo's d*** for this? I thought the consensus opinion was that this whole thing is stupid? I was routing for them to fail the entire time and was surprised when i checked LRC and everyone in this thread was all hyped on it. A week ago no one seemed to share that opinion...

rollerskates wrote:

did i miss something or why is everyone on rojo's d*** for this? I thought the consensus opinion was that this whole thing is stupid? I was routing for them to fail the entire time and was surprised when i checked LRC and everyone in this thread was all hyped on it. A week ago no one seemed to share that opinion...

Kipchoge ran like a badass and got everyone all hyped up, because it was an insane run he put in. Contrived and assisted or not, it was still extremely impressive to witness.

The format was goofy, but also fun in a science experiment kind of way.

Repeat: What a pity that all those great runners took part in an event that has no traffic at all with a marathon under regular conditions, not even with sports in a proper sense of the word. This result is fantastic, but only at first glance. There is something missing for Kipchoge, namely the world record. The IAAF has already announced for good reasons that this marketing event with unique prerequisites can not be accepted as a world record officially. Just my two cents.

Les wrote:

Certainly Not Skuj wrote:

Maybe this has been discussed in this thread, but really, what was the huge difference between this and Bannister's sub4? bannister waited for the weather, and got real pacing/drafting for 1300m. How many of us dis that May 6th 1954 effort?

The huge difference is Bannister's mile attempt wasn't designed to sell shoes. It wasn't a PR event. There was no money for anyone. It was just one man going after what was thought to be an unbreakable record in a low key track meet.

The world has changed Dad. Sorry this upsets you, but go to bed champ and it will sting less in the morning.

HardLoper wrote:

Everyone discussing rojo's tweets STFU already. No one cares.

I care. Plenty other posters care, so you STFU.

kmaclam wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

Are you denying it converts to 2:02-3, or just offended about it?

Neither, I was speaking to the fact that you were glad you slept through this extravaganza. And if I was offended by anything, it would be that you just rolled out of bed and the first thing out of your mouth is that we are idiots. Wrong side of the bed?

So, if you're not disputing the equivalent 2:02-3, and you're not offended, why do you take issue with being called an idiot?

I won't be the first to say it by a long shot. Get ready for at least 10 years of people mocking this grotesque tribute to cheating. Glory is fleeting.

If I hadn't slept through it, I might have fallen for it too. So I'm glad.

won't be the last to say it, that is.

Bad Wigins wrote:

kmaclam wrote:

Neither, I was speaking to the fact that you were glad you slept through this extravaganza. And if I was offended by anything, it would be that you just rolled out of bed and the first thing out of your mouth is that we are idiots. Wrong side of the bed?

So, if you're not disputing the equivalent 2:02-3, and you're not offended, why do you take issue with being called an idiot?

I won't be the first to say it by a long shot. Get ready for at least 10 years of people mocking this grotesque tribute to cheating. Glory is fleeting.

If I hadn't slept through it, I might have fallen for it too. So I'm glad.

I am disputing that. I think you need to knock a solid 30s-60s off that estimate. If you said this run was worth between 2:01:00-2:02:30...then I'd agree with you.

Two reasons:

1) Namely, I think the drafting benefit only comes out to about 1%-1.5% when you consider runners already get some (though suboptimal) drafting from anywhere between 20k-30k, and that Kipchoge was frequently out of the slipstream over the last 10k.

Had Kipchoge been running 6 inches off the pace car...then I'd be inclined to agree with you.

2) Kipchoge himself. I think this was a pretty decent day from Kipchoge. The guy ran 2:03:05 at London. He is, at worst, capable of 2:02:30, and I strongly feel he could run somewhere between 2:01:30-2:02:30.

All corporate gimmickry and event hype faded to irrelevance as we watched one man, all heart, test his physical limits and do something that no other human being has done before. Valiant effort. Eliud is a legend.

Bad Wigins wrote:

kmaclam wrote:

Neither, I was speaking to the fact that you were glad you slept through this extravaganza. And if I was offended by anything, it would be that you just rolled out of bed and the first thing out of your mouth is that we are idiots. Wrong side of the bed?

So, if you're not disputing the equivalent 2:02-3, and you're not offended, why do you take issue with being called an idiot?

I won't be the first to say it by a long shot. Get ready for at least 10 years of people mocking this grotesque tribute to cheating. Glory is fleeting.

If I hadn't slept through it, I might have fallen for it too. So I'm glad.

You can STFU as well, as$hole.

LM wrote:

rollerskates wrote:

did i miss something or why is everyone on rojo's d*** for this? I thought the consensus opinion was that this whole thing is stupid? I was routing for them to fail the entire time and was surprised when i checked LRC and everyone in this thread was all hyped on it. A week ago no one seemed to share that opinion...

Kipchoge ran like a badass and got everyone all hyped up, because it was an insane run he put in. Contrived and assisted or not, it was still extremely impressive to witness.

The format was goofy, but also fun in a science experiment kind of way.

cool it was fun to watch but if they went sub 2 would it really have been worth it? The actual barrier would be tarnished all for the sake of nike making a ton of money. I get that people who don't follow running would hear about it and think its awesome, you can't blame them for not knowing its stupid or caring about the integrity of the sport. I'm surprised so many letsrunners sold out so easy though

sucks that while this one may have failed, some other attempt just like it probably will happen sooner or later

The best part of this event for me was the sense of unity. Pacers, athletes, physiologists, announcers, and viewers gathered, cheered, and watched three people attempt the impossible. It wasn't a race between individuals, it was the effort of a group, and it was inspiring to see people like Bernard Lagat cheering on Eliud during the race or Eluid hugging fans and members of the Nike team after it finished.

Maybe the event was controversial, but it represented why I love to run: the common singular purpose of running fast.