Jon Orange wrote:
So you found the wikipedia page for Amphetamine? And that makes you better informed does it?
So, tell me what amphetamine does to the nervous system that natural adrenaline can't?
It's a source that your intellect level should leap at.
Adrenaline levels vary among people, just like Hct levels and T etc.
The low people can always use the boost. That's why they take them.
Jon Orange wrote:
Glycogen stored in Astrocyctes is converted to Lactate, which fuels neurons.
Do you use more when you concentrate really hard for a long time?
dope works wrote:
"Of the numerous metabolic, cardiopulmonary, biomechanical and neuromuscular characteristics contributing to RE, many of these are able to adapt through training or other interventions resulting in improved RE."
" Other interventions" like drugs.
No, Barnes and Kilding do not list drugs as "other interventions" in their companion paper:
Strategies to Improve Running Economy
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs40279-014-0246-yConcepts found in this article
High-intensity Interval Training
Plyometric Training
Traditional Resistance Training
Endurance Training Volume
Intermittent Hypoxia Exposure
Heavy Resistance Training
Intermittent Hypoxic Exposure
Motor Unit Synchronization
Lowe Limb Stiffness
Resistance Training Program
Neuromuscular Characteristic
Weight Training Program
Muscle Buffer Capacity
Mars bar brain wrote:
Jon Orange wrote:Glycogen stored in Astrocyctes is converted to Lactate, which fuels neurons.
Do you use more when you concentrate really hard for a long time?
You go "into the zone" Ever run a marathon George? Yes you have, but you tended to lose concentration didn't you?
Jon Orange wrote:
Mars bar brain wrote:Do you use more when you concentrate really hard for a long time?
You go "into the zone" Ever run a marathon George? Yes you have, but you tended to lose concentration didn't you?
Do you use more, not a difficult question.
wiki brain leaks wrote:
Jon Orange wrote:So you found the wikipedia page for Amphetamine? And that makes you better informed does it?
So, tell me what amphetamine does to the nervous system that natural adrenaline can't?
It's a source that your intellect level should leap at.
Adrenaline levels vary among people, just like Hct levels and T etc.
The low people can always use the boost. That's why they take them.
Go ahead, knock yourself out. Smoke it or inject it for an even bigger hit. I'll see you on youtube maybe?
Jon Orange wrote:
dope works wrote:"Of the numerous metabolic, cardiopulmonary, biomechanical and neuromuscular characteristics contributing to RE, many of these are able to adapt through training or other interventions resulting in improved RE."
" Other interventions" like drugs.
No, Barnes and Kilding do not list drugs as "other interventions" in their companion paper:
Strategies to Improve Running Economy
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs40279-014-0246-yConcepts found in this article
High-intensity Interval Training
Plyometric Training
Traditional Resistance Training
Endurance Training Volume
Intermittent Hypoxia Exposure
Heavy Resistance Training
Intermittent Hypoxic Exposure
Motor Unit Synchronization
Lowe Limb Stiffness
Resistance Training Program
Neuromuscular Characteristic
Weight Training Program
Muscle Buffer Capacity
Because that paper is about training, not other interventions. Are you having trouble keeping up with your sources again?
No. Power starts from the top. Put walking casts on and try to run. Still possible.
Lock your upper legs, not so much.
The lower legs are just incidental sources of power and elasticity. That's why better running animals don't even have muscles in those areas. All of their power is up top.
It's like you don't even know how running works..[/quote]
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Rubbish. incidental my ass. Its all leverage and weight. Calf mucles are better off light and strong. Like Pistorious's carbon. Light and never tired.
Though I can see that arguing with a 'scientists' who thinks winning and going fast is all a matter of equations and inevitabilites is a waste of time.
This thread is 50 pages of Pee Wee Hermanesque foreplay. Pre wanking
Jon Orange wrote:
wiki brain leaks wrote:It's a source that your intellect level should leap at.
Adrenaline levels vary among people, just like Hct levels and T etc.
The low people can always use the boost. That's why they take them.
Go ahead, knock yourself out. Smoke it or inject it for an even bigger hit. I'll see you on youtube maybe?
I produce plenty of adrenaline, too much in fact on occasion.
But it's interesting that you now acknowledge drugs work. You should watch some of the doped up running performances.
dope works wrote:
Jon Orange wrote:No, Barnes and Kilding do not list drugs as "other interventions" in their companion paper:
Strategies to Improve Running Economy
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs40279-014-0246-yConcepts found in this article
High-intensity Interval Training
Plyometric Training
Traditional Resistance Training
Endurance Training Volume
Intermittent Hypoxia Exposure
Heavy Resistance Training
Intermittent Hypoxic Exposure
Motor Unit Synchronization
Lowe Limb Stiffness
Resistance Training Program
Neuromuscular Characteristic
Weight Training Program
Muscle Buffer Capacity
Because that paper is about training, not other interventions. Are you having trouble keeping up with your sources again?
That paper was about those "other interventions"
Troll away over and over. Don't you have a life away from this message board? Don't you think you should get one?
Do you really find me such a threat to your letsrun guru status, or do you think you are doing me a favor by bumping up my threads?
Do your multiple personalities give you more of a multiple personality disorder?
Jon Orange wrote:
dope works wrote:Because that paper is about training, not other interventions. Are you having trouble keeping up with your sources again?
That paper was about those "other interventions"
Troll away over and over. Don't you have a life away from this message board? Don't you think you should get one?
Do you really find me such a threat to your letsrun guru status, or do you think you are doing me a favor by bumping up my threads?
Do your multiple personalities give you more of a multiple personality disorder?
That is called "training", Jon.
Yes I have a great life away from the boards so no I don't need to get one.
Maybe you do since your are starting these silly threads and hammering away on the same point over and over with no progress? Hello, insanity?
Perhaps you could answer the last question yourself, wellnow, Good Science Bad Science, jono, Jon Orange?
mlcollll wrote:
No. Power starts from the top. Put walking casts on and try to run. Still possible.
Lock your upper legs, not so much.
The lower legs are just incidental sources of power and elasticity. That's why better running animals don't even have muscles in those areas. All of their power is up top.
It's like you don't even know how running works..
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Rubbish. incidental my ass. Its all leverage and weight. Calf mucles are better off light and strong. Like Pistorious's carbon. Light and never tired.
Though I can see that arguing with a 'scientists' who thinks winning and going fast is all a matter of equations and inevitabilites is a waste of time.
This thread is 50 pages of Pee Wee Hermanesque foreplay. Pre wanking[/quote]
The point is that the upper leg drives down into the calf. The calf can only respond in accordance with that.
The carbon blades prove this. They don't need to be told to respond. but they do after the upper leg applies the power.
Well then, I suggest you go and enjoy that life away from the letsrun message board, and stop being so obsessed with me.
But you can't can you?
Jon Orange wrote:
Well then, I suggest you go and enjoy that life away from the letsrun message board, and stop being so obsessed with me.
But you can't can you?
I am amused by you. You are like a Seinfeld character.
Obsessed would be seeking out your threads but nobody has to do that. They appear predictably on their own or on threads where logic can say they will be.
I bet you can be found on the injuries thread and the Canova/PEDs thread, correct?
Mr. Orange, you are obsessed with yourself and lack of knowledge so much that you post under multiple handles hoping for some help from the sidelines. Physiology and running efficiently. Do you think if someone lowers their arm a little they'll improve 3 minutes? You sir a whackjob on your best day.
Jon Orange wrote:
Well then, I suggest you go and enjoy that life away from the letsrun message board, and stop being so obsessed with me.
But you can't can you?
test2 wrote:
This is where Jon's argument gets hazy for me. If two guys run the same time, then v and T are the same and if you add in Jack Daniels' "well trained" fractional utilization assumption, then f(T) is also the same for them. That means that the following combination of efficiency, absolute VO2max and body mass has to be equal for the two guys:
e_1 * VO2max_abs_1 / mass_1 = e_2 * VO2max_abs_2 / mass_2
for guy 1 and guy 2.
This is strictly true only for two guys with the same race time. I think Jon would like to say something stronger, however, I'm not clear on what exactly.
Hazy? Your think equation is much simpler?
Here's a summary equation for you:
E=mc^2
See how nice and simple it is?
Here's another one that I did:
SL x SR x E
Stride Length x Stride Rate x Endurance. You can also use T for Time instead of E for Endurance, but I prefer E because like SL and SR it is a skill.
It is a summary equation for running performance incorporating all the stuff we should be talking about.
Nickleback wrote:
Mr. Orange, you are obsessed with yourself and lack of knowledge so much that you post under multiple handles hoping for some help from the sidelines. Physiology and running efficiently. Do you think if someone lowers their arm a little they'll improve 3 minutes? You sir a whackjob on your best day.
Jon Orange wrote:Well then, I suggest you go and enjoy that life away from the letsrun message board, and stop being so obsessed with me.
But you can't can you?
I've been posting here for years. There was never any denial on my part that I was wellnow back in 2006-9, or jono in 2012, or J.O. in 2013 whatever.t was kinda obvious. No super sleuth detective investigation needed.
Saying I lack knowledge is just your own ignorance, deliberate baiting, well you got what you wanted, a reply from me. Feel better?
Why don't you learn this stuff? Show me and yourself that you care about the sport?
Otherwise, what is the point of posting here?
Jon Orange wrote:
Nickleback wrote:Mr. Orange, you are obsessed with yourself and lack of knowledge so much that you post under multiple handles hoping for some help from the sidelines. Physiology and running efficiently. Do you think if someone lowers their arm a little they'll improve 3 minutes? You sir a whackjob on your best day.
I've been posting here for years. There was never any denial on my part that I was wellnow back in 2006-9, or jono in 2012, or J.O. in 2013 whatever.t was kinda obvious. No super sleuth detective investigation needed.
Saying I lack knowledge is just your own ignorance, deliberate baiting, well you got what you wanted, a reply from me. Feel better?
Why don't you learn this stuff? Show me and yourself that you care about the sport?
Otherwise, what is the point of posting here?
He does care that's why he doesn't want to support the poor misguided dopers like you are doing under the guise of "drugs don't work".
Chad Kroeger wrote:
Jon Orange wrote:I've been posting here for years. There was never any denial on my part that I was wellnow back in 2006-9, or jono in 2012, or J.O. in 2013 whatever.t was kinda obvious. No super sleuth detective investigation needed.
Saying I lack knowledge is just your own ignorance, deliberate baiting, well you got what you wanted, a reply from me. Feel better?
Why don't you learn this stuff? Show me and yourself that you care about the sport?
Otherwise, what is the point of posting here?
He does care that's why he doesn't want to support the poor misguided dopers like you are doing under the guise of "drugs don't work".
The point of this thread is to show that elite athletes are more energy efficient. There is no drug that can give you this efficiency.
The original post was, "If so, do you think that you need drugs to be the best that you can be?" but this was deleted by someone who truly is misguided.
But your paper shows huge efficiency differences among elites. More contradiction.
Drugs make you better than you can be naturally. That is a proven.