Another run across America underway - is it legit? Boots currently on the ground

Climbing 7m is hardly UTMB...

But a 43 metre swing on the former, that's the point.

It's still very slow miling. If he had walked a good chunk of the previous mile it could be legit. I don't know why his HR is up in the 140s early on and what's with the cadence of 216?

I also don’t understand the cadence. how do you run 11-13 minute miles with a 176-180 cadence? I tried to do that this morning. I got to 173 but my pace hit 9:30. I was trying to move as slow as humanly possible. And if you say it was part walking and part running, wouldn’t that cause cadence to plummet further?

is there a logical explanation for this?

Racewalk cadences are often higher - into the 200s, but there has been no footage of race walking and to my reckoning he ain't one. It would drive your HR up hugely to attain those cadences too.

Does seem strange that our benchmark, the GOAT PK has a significantly higher HR for 10min miling in a 12 mile run than WG for 10:30 57 miles in too (138 v 110). I'm not calling cheating...I'm noting weird. That's all I can say.

Maybe he is just riding a bike.

guys what are we even still doing here? petekostelnick verified that the run by his bffs is totes legit. why would pk lie about anything? he called them up to verify it.

I'm sure he's not. Hard to ride a bike that slow and impossible with a cadence like that. Bad advert for Coros watches though...

what people don't understand is that 10 minute miling in multiday is super world class. They just go "meh, piece of p*ss, I can do them. And I would do them off 110s too."

The 100s to 110s of WG are impossible, all but no-one is saying they're real, they're saying "tech fail".

But it's the biggest tech fail is running history. No-one has failed with their tech so much, for such a long period, with so many different watches, at very precise events and in precisely the same manner as their business partner who did the Transcon first.

But the Ultraworld is supposed to accept all this, take our hats off to WG and welcome a new superstar into the ranks.

The four quarters of his run yesterday were:

3:05
3:19
3:06
3:15

It's just all so seamless. Ultra and multiday running simply doesn't work like this. Never has done, never will. If we had a heart rate to see what was going on that would give some insight. But neither he nor Balenger return human heart rates for their big multiday fundraisers more than 10% of the time according to the report. Who knows why.

That is 12:30 miling though. It's pretty much a stroll.

At the moment this guy this guy is making ultra runners look like complete pansies. He’s rocked up on (comparatively) minimal mileage through 2022, weighing at least 180lbs, and he’s going for a nice, brisk walk for a few hours everyday, before retiring to his RV for a £40 per month hot drink and a foot massage. The only signs of wear and tear on him being his face from the sun. His feet look pristine.

I wish Will C had spent longer with him. Yes, he was there when some of these 110bpm periods were recorded, but the fact he’s having so many of them once Will left stinks to high heaven.

If watch muling has been ruled out, he ain't on a bike... The only plausible explanation for me seems to be he is just spending a lot of time on his feet, moving slowly and not pushing his cardiovascular system. Has anyone come up with a believeable way this could be rigged? Is the only crime being committed calling this a "run"? Slower than 5 miles per hour really is a slugfest.

I know this is several weeks ago, but I love the idea of you trying to use "boots on the ground" as your ID and seeing it was taking, and having to switch to "sneakers on the ground."

I am laboriously reading every single post, got a ways to go to page 50+ ...

holy sh!t the original Boots On The Ground is in this thread now?

:popcorn

I want to make sure I'm understanding this. Are you saying that this team, already 38 days into their transcon, is now changing strategy to push for a finish within 15 remaining days instead of their originally scheduled 26 remaining days?

If anyone still believed in the validity of this run, a decision like this should sink that belief for good.

Well, they've been badly caught out by their sloppy research and they know it looks really sh*tty to have painted the van like that and now to be nowhere close. Absolutely serves them right for their terrible and arrogant karma in the first place.

But yes, he's saying he hasn't been trying, and now a couple of really big days and that 64 target will indeed quickly morph into 53, very seamlessly. Only about 68s required and he's just done a 65 with a negative split.

Also they know that with PKs backing and a few LR posters being very loud, that no-one will mind about not having a pulse, outside a few hundred in the community - and he has 150k followers - who cares about the spods and boffins.

They could literally ride it in from here, and just manipulate the data and they know that a vast majority will just blame Coros for having terrible equipment that doesn't work [and Garmin for the 13 early days failing in the same manner. Something to with sunscreen, or clothing under his watch?].

What a show...

His Garmin data shows that his stride length when walking is indistinguishable from his stride length when running slowly (6:30km or slower). He has this ability to run slowly with a very high cadence.

This is pretty hilarious. Avoid scrutiny by not going for the record, then "sprint it in at the end" to nip the record at the line. I would say "if this were a movie people would mock it for being so stupidly unbelievable," but unfortunately there are plenty of people who will somehow believe it.