El Keniano wrote:
Jefe in the CO wrote:What a great running exhibition. I can't see why many are bemoaning time trials. As in cycling, time trials take nothing away from "true" racing. It actually adds a multidimensional aspect to marathoning.
So we know have 3 dimensions to marathoning; New York/Boston, London/Berlin, and now Marathon on a Track!
I wasn't alive for the 4-minute mile so this has been the most important athletic event of my lifetime. Really drummed up interest in the sport.
+1
If they did this for another distance, I would watch that as well. It is something positive to believe in after years of crap from doping, etc. yeah, he could be doping but I am choosing for now to believe in the sport for one night. Thank you for sharing this moment with me folks.
1:59:59 isn't impossible. 1:59:59 is 25 seconds away.
Rojo is like a guy who plays a Russian roulette, pulls the trigger once, and when he doesn't kill himself, gloats "see, I told you I wouldn't die."
El Keniano wrote:
Jefe in the CO wrote:What a great running exhibition. I can't see why many are bemoaning time trials. As in cycling, time trials take nothing away from "true" racing. It actually adds a multidimensional aspect to marathoning.
So we know have 3 dimensions to marathoning; New York/Boston, London/Berlin, and now Marathon on a Track!
I wasn't alive for the 4-minute mile so this has been the most important athletic event of my lifetime. Really drummed up interest in the sport.
Cheers man. I agree.
We went back and forth a long time ago (I avoided the forum for a time), but this was great. This was special. it really was. The sport needs more of these. (Not corporate put-togetherness, but wholesome opportunities to show strength and potential).
please dont 'sing' Carl
Carl Lewis? Why are sprinters trying to horn in on this? Don't they get enough attention?
wejo wrote:
That was a super impressive. Reiterates he's the greatest marathoner ever.
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When people say 2:00 isn't possible right now they mean with current rules and conditions.
If the rules of the game are changed then 2:00 becomes possible much sooner.
I had asked people what they thought Kipchoge could run right now say in Berlin on a perfect day? He ran 2:03:05 in London. I said what if he's a 2:02 marathoner?
This guy is right on:
Berlin wrote:Think he would have ran 2:02:05 in Berlin if it were held today.
Then give him nearly perfect pacing and much better drafting (Running behind that car) and what do you get? Looks like that takes another minute or minute and a half off, and then there is the question of the shoes.
I don't think a lot of people would be surprised by something in the 2:01s.
I thought he would die harder when he fell off the pace. But the more I think about it is JK's prediction of 20 miles is he could handle 20 miles on a normal course/conditions. He's better than everyone else and had the slipstream plus everything else.
Which of the other things do you think helped the most?
From what I saw they were never really "behind the car. The pacers were well off the car for most of the way, at 2-3 car length or more.
The phalanx of pacing was definitely worth something, I imagine it marginally optimizes the effect of drafting for the first 13 miles (considering runners usually get drafting to around halfway), and then there was a significant advantage, the full 2% probably, from halfway to 30k. After 30k Eluid was on and off the pacers some. Perhaps 15s or so for bottles.
So i'd say maybe 1-1.5% for drafting and .2% or so for bottles. So call it 1.25%? Making this worth about 2:01:50 on a "regular" course.
That leaves only the question of what kind of a day Kipchoge was on. If today was a B+ day, then low 2:01 might be possible. If Kipchoge was at his absolute best, then we are likely at a place where 2:02:00 Berlin is still a major ask.
Your "professional credibility". Hilarious.
wejo wrote:
Which of the other things do you think helped the most?
He believed he could do it. I'm sure he wasn't hanging aroumd naysayers.
All the pacers dancing is pretty great.
Jimmy21 wrote:
i would just like to say that i quite possible had the greatest prediction. Someone owes me a beer
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:DY2c4v7Iw70J:www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php%3Fthread%3D8189658+&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
did nobody see this? Does the link work? I feel like Nostradamus or something.
farahfinallyloses2017 wrote:
Social Faux Paw wrote:I agree. People here are acting like Rojo is Hitler. Don't act like as if all the realists are not also gloating in happiness that it failed because of Nike's drug history. This was nothing special.
What got me was that he started gloating with 5 minutes left.
This is what makes them insufferable half the time. WE CALLED IT!!
Did anyone other than die hard fans actually watch it at this time of day though.
Only saw the end courtesy of an early rising 2 year old!
Was surprised they ran that fast.
I know we are used to seeing runners appear relaxed after winning but they are usually a bit out of breath in interviews a couple of minutes later. Interview with Paula was inside a minute and he was not breathing hard even slightly.
Attempt has undermined her own fully paced WR!
twister32 wrote:
some EPO would have gotten him 1:58
EPO got him 2:00:24.
Carl Lewis is a giant!
the deception and lies of nike ,
know no bounds .
pure satanic corporation .
in that ard documentary , why have they
been transferring millions over years to
kenyan athletics , definitely not to dope .
farahfinallyloses2017 wrote:
All the pacers dancing is pretty great.
Haha I was thinking the same thing.
I was also thinking...this "awards ceremony" is super awkward.
NoooooWaaaaay wrote:
1:59:59 isn't impossible. 1:59:59 is 25 seconds away.
A second a mile faster would do it. Maybe we won't see an open marathon sub 2 for a long time, but this type format surely would get us there within 5 years should Kipchoge, Bekele, Kipsang and ilk make it a yearly event.
Robert never said it wasn't fun to see. His tweet just said letsrundotcom was right and it was arrogant. Super insecure like Trump and it came at the right time.
The run itself was inspiring. Kipchoge is just so much fun to watch.
I don't think people are trashing the run at all. I think most of us who watched it are really impressed by it. Kipchoge brought his game.
I personally didn't want the first sub 2 to be in a closed competition reserved for one shoe company where the rules were changed. But we could have new events like this, "fastest marathon ever run."
And the fact Kipchoge came close and didn't break the record helps this event. If he ran say 1:57 flat, a lot of hard core runners would be -"it's the new shoes" and not "it's Eliud Kipchoge"