Are you John Steiner aka jzs?
Are you John Steiner aka jzs?
are you 8? wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
I bet you can blow raspberries, too. Not exactly Wildean, though.
^ observe an eight year old having a tantrum.
Your the hobby-jogging equivalent of a debater, aren't you?
Armstronglivs wrote:
honest question wrote:
Are you John Steiner aka jzs
Never heard of him. But if I was, would I tell you? I am a former long-time fan of the sport, who has come to see it as a dishonest farce. But then, that is the world of professional sport now.
He's a nobody too. But are you paid to troll?
honest question wrote:
Are you John Steiner aka jzs?
You know, they have laxatives for your problem.
Mid 60s, folks. Don't grow old like this kids.
Armstronglivs wrote:
Sorry, I forgot about "old man strength" - the reversal of the normal aging process.
Incorrect. It is increased strength despite the aging process. Not everyone gets it.
Armstronglivs, are you paid to troll? That's how it seems.
Armstronglivs wrote:
are you 8? wrote:
^ observe an eight year old having a tantrum.
Your the hobby-jogging equivalent of a debater, aren't you?
Wait, you think you are debating well?
It's curious you think the corrective action here is to "hound" Lagat, as if two wrongs make a right. "Nothing but praise" is a conclusion based on selective memory. The fact is that Lagat has been regularly "hounded", by many, on this forum, since 2003. It was wrong to "hound" Meza, and it was and is wrong to "hound" Lagat.
Moctezuma wrote:
Frank Meza gets hounded and this confirmed doper gets nothing but praise.
The IAAF let him off on a technicality. When Lagat and his crooked coach asked for the IAAF to make an apologetic statement the IAAF told them that if they didn't shut up they would make "some things" public and Lagat et al shut up. Even Mr. PC himself, Gary Hill at TafNews remarked on this.
Lagat is a disingenuous piece of dung.
+1 The story should have ended in Oct. 2003, when the IAAF announced: "The analysis of the B sample of Kenyan middle distance runner Bernard Lagat has failed to confirm the initial result of the anti-doping test conducted in Tubingen, Germany on 8 August 2003, where the analysis of the A sample returned an adverse finding for Erythropoietin (EPO). The analysis of the B sample was conducted by the IOC-accredited laboratory in Cologne, Germany on 29 September and did not corroborate the original result. Consequently the athlete is able to compete." In fact, the Kenyan Athletic Federation should not have publicly announced the A-sample finding until after B-sample corroboration.
yhrebray wrote:
Lagat didn't test positive. Educate yourself.
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Read the report. If someone ran a scantron through the machine backwards and it said they failed, and then they re-ran it through correctly and they passed, as well as the carbon copy which passed, would you say they failed?
https://www.letsrun.com/2003/lagatfull.docAlso, Lance DID test positive (unlike Lagat).
rekrunner wrote:
In fact, the Kenyan Athletic Federation should not have publicly announced the A-sample finding until after B-sample corroboration.
As I recall, it was an intentionally leaked result. It seems that either: the person who tampered with the A-sample forgot to fix the B-sample as well; or the person tampered with the two samples wasn't able to make them exact match. Anyway, when the tests results were first revealed, and the failed match come out, I waited to see if Lagat would stop competing (would seem to be an admission of guilt), or if a future test showed a positive test. Well... SIXTEEN years later, and thousands of tests later, ... nothing. Absolutely nothing. And the testing has vastly improved since 2003.
honest question wrote:
Armstronglivs, are you paid to troll? That's how it seems.
Nothing is what it seems. I'm sure the earth seems flat to someone like you.
Armstronglivs wrote:
Why am I not surprised that a star of the late EPO era, who himself returned a positive drug test, is still going strong?
He's the same age as El G who has been retired for like 15 years.
It's you're if you are older than 8 wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
Your the hobby-jogging equivalent of a debater, aren't you?
Wait, you think you are debating well?
It's not a debate because I haven't been presented with an argument. That part a lump like you can't do.
The Chosen Few wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
Sorry, I forgot about "old man strength" - the reversal of the normal aging process.
Incorrect. It is increased strength despite the aging process. Not everyone gets it.
Not everyone is on TRT like you.
fowtsn wrote:
except that he is really kenyan and always will be
This.
Barabbas wrote:
fowtsn wrote:
except that he is really kenyan and always will be
This.
Alberto is really Cuban and always will be.
rekrunner wrote:
+1
The story should have ended in Oct. 2003, when the IAAF announced:
"The analysis of the B sample of Kenyan middle distance runner Bernard Lagat has failed to confirm the initial result of the anti-doping test conducted in Tubingen, Germany on 8 August 2003, where the analysis of the A sample returned an adverse finding for Erythropoietin (EPO).
The analysis of the B sample was conducted by the IOC-accredited laboratory in Cologne, Germany on 29 September and did not corroborate the original result. Consequently the athlete is able to compete."
In fact, the Kenyan Athletic Federation should not have publicly announced the A-sample finding until after B-sample corroboration.
yhrebray wrote:
Lagat didn't test positive. Educate yourself.
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Read the report. If someone ran a scantron through the machine backwards and it said they failed, and then they re-ran it through correctly and they passed, as well as the carbon copy which passed, would you say they failed?
https://www.letsrun.com/2003/lagatfull.docAlso, Lance DID test positive (unlike Lagat).
What is an "adverse finding" if not a positive? He escaped a violation because the B sample did not return a positive finding also. He was lucky.
Armstronglivs wrote:
The Chosen Few wrote:
Incorrect. It is increased strength despite the aging process. Not everyone gets it.
Not everyone is on TRT like you.
Not from the natural source, no. Some folks have a working pair for much longer. That is apparently me and not you. Props for you for having the, I want to say balls, but that doesn't really work does it?
??????????? wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
Why am I not surprised that a star of the late EPO era, who himself returned a positive drug test, is still going strong?
He's the same age as El G who has been retired for like 15 years.
El G chose to retire. Unlike Lagat. But doping is also an excellent way of prolonging a career - if that is what an athlete chooses.