Congrats to Jakob Ingebrigtsen for finishing 12th at World Jr XC. He's not afraid to lay it on the line.

I didn't even know he was racing

milermb wrote:

Given that for most of February he will have been training in order to peak at 1500 &3000 in the European indoor this performance wasn't so bad. most of the athletes in front of him will have been pointing towards this race for months.

I suspect he might be a little disappointed, however, and he might think twice about moving up to 5000 as his main distance given that so many young Africans were ahead of him here.

I don't think any of the Africans ahead of him here come close to him in a 5000. It's apples and oranges difference.

It's like saying all of the amateur people that beat him in that mountain race can crush him in a 5000 or marathon or whatever. It's just plain nonsensical thinking.

These types of XC courses truly cater to the tiny. Not sure how well it would be expected for Jakob @ 6'1 150 pounds to maneuver around the course as easy as a 5'4" 115 pounder?

I like the way he ran- he put himself in the race and gave his all. Listen to Lynn Jennings' interview before the race. She went there ready to race (no excuses) and it was her "mirror" for how the season was going to unfold.

Now, they make excuses no not race or why they ran slow.

Will the top 10 have bad seasons because they raced hard Saturday? Probably not.

I hate to be critical of people who are far more capable of something than I can ever dream to be, but I think western runners- Americans and Europeans- have to toughen up.

I understand not going into a race where you might get top 30 and no money when you're a pro but still, there has to be some incentive to do well in an international championship.

There are steep hills, and there are steep stairs. This is the latter, with an average incline of 34%.

The museum roof was around 10%. Nevertheless it was way to steep for a relatively large middle distance runner. It requires specialized training.

I've seen many of the few africans who have had a go at mountain races (1500m vertical, 20% avg incline) go out fast and choke before halfway. 7:50 3k being beat by local 10:30 runners, 1.02 HM's being beat by 1.30 HM's, etc. People who travelled far to cash in on seemingly easy prize money, only to have receive a reality check.

Track and hills are very different, and it doesn't take a lot of hills to neutralize specialized track athletes.

Ignoring your usual lies, Kenyans have been at the top of mid/distance running long enough (more than half a century now) to know that temporary dips in form are not only common, but inevitable. Ethiopia has been going through something of a dry spell since the great Bekele exited stage left from the track. Only now are possible replacements emerging in Barega and Kejelcha. Kenya itself has also gone through long periods of relative failure and it is well known that we’ve been uncompetitive in the 5,000m these last few years. Kenya and Ethiopia will forever trade places at the top. Other East African countries, particularly Uganda and Eritrea, while mounting viable challenges, are unlikely to completely dominate or dethrone these two.

Four years ago, at the 2013 World XC Championships, Kenya were so bad that they lost to USA in the senior men’s team competition. The gloating here was blasted on max and lasted for months. Would you describe that too as “evidence of the decline of Kenyan distance running”? It happens. We accept it. That’s why we’re great an you’re not because “Great” Britain usually responds by not sending a team at all.

I believe lots of running in terrain will make your body activate more muscles in legs than is necesarry for tracks and if you change to running on flat surface your body will activate too much and tire you

Alabama BS wrote:

Only reason I watched the entire Junior race was to see Inge. Otherwise I’d just fast forward to the last minute. As a white man i do this because I identify with him more so than anonymous East Africans that I believe aren’t of age and are doping.

I am at the top of the target audience for the IAAF. If I have little interest to watch the African domination then certainly not many other whites care too.

Imagine the discussion in a house tonight in Denmark.

Mom: “who won?”

Kid: “some African”

Mom: “how did Inge do?”

Kid: “ he was 12th”

Until the rampant cheating ends then the downfall of the sport will continue.

The East Africans are only “anonymous” if you purposely avoid reading and learning about the runners.

Hello all,

I saw a lot of messages regarding age doping pointing out thatJakob Ingebrigsten was 12th becauce he was the only "REAL" junior in the race.

We cannot tell by last weekend race but let's do the maths for previous years with a notorious runner.

I will take as an example Eliud Kipchoge.

He is supposed to be born in 1984.

He won the the junior race at the 2003 IAAF World Cross Country Championships.

So he was supposed to be 19.

But that is not true, we all know that African cheat on their age,.

So in 2003 he was at least 10 years older, so 29 years old as we all know that there is a direct link between the way you look and your age. And Eliud Kipchoge has always look old so he must be old.

And as a matter of fact we all know that a 19 years old kid living in a rich family and doing nothing during his days

will have exactly the same look has a 19 years old kid who since 8 years old has been working days and nights like an adult.

But let's get back to Eliud Kipchoge.

As a matter of fact he was born in 1974 not 1984 like he said.

We got him!

And let's put his achievements in link with his REAL age.

2003 IAAF World Cross Country Junior Race - Champion => REAL AGE 29 (Normal he was older that the real juniors)

2004 Olympic Games Athens - 5000m - Bronze => REAL AGE 30

2006 World Indoor Championships Moscow - 3000m - Bronze => REAL AGE 32

2007 World Championships Osaka - 5000m - Silver => REAL AGE 33

2008 Olympic Games Beijing - 5000m - Silver => REAL AGE 34

2013 World Marathon Majors Berlin - Silver => REAL AGE 39

2014 World Marathon Majors Chicago - Gold => REAL AGE 40 (Not bad for his age )

2015 World Marathon Majors Berlin - Gold => REAL AGE 41

2015 World Marathon Majors London - Gold => REAL AGE 41

2016 World Marathon Majors London - Gold => REAL AGE 42

2016 Olympic Games Rio - Marathon- Gold => REAL AGE 42 (Impressive for his age)

2017 World Marathon Majors Berlin - Gold => REAL AGE 43

2018 World Marathon Majors London - Gold => REAL AGE 44

2018 World Marathon Majors Berlin - Gold => REAL AGE 44 (Incredible and world record!)

That is really strange. How can a 44 years old guy can run so fast???

We are sure he is doped like all the Eastern Africans runners.

Because we all know that each eastern african baby thanks to an obscur top secret federal policy is supplemented with non authorized fluids since his birth so he can become an invicible top runner ...

BUT If Eliud Kipchoge were white, he would be of course be 34 years old in 2018 not 44 years old.

He would have won in junior at 19 because he was just talented.

And if he is still winning nowadays of course it is not because of non authorized fluifds but thanks to his hardworking mind.

Of course all if these assumptions would only be valid if Eliud Kipchoge were white ...

To get back to my initial quote.

We cannot tell NOW by last week-end race that Jakob Ingebrigsten was 12th becauce he was the only "REAL" junior in the race.

But in 15-20 years, if Jakob Ingebrigsten is still around with the others same names, we can be sure that they had the same age in 2019 ...

And it will but just maths :-) !

Yg11110 wrote:

The dilusion and attendant excuses on here is astonishing. ....

It’s not just spelling, but also grammar, that are “diluted” here.

*Cringe

https://twitter.com/endasportswear/status/1112683853037142019?s=21

Good call by the announcers to not name a single east african in that race. It was a junior race in which they brought 30 year old runners. They knew the farce that was going on.

Well, they are commentators on a European tv channel, so I'd bear that in mind.

I just wanted to say that despite all the hype, which the course lived up to, the Viking beer tent was a complete waste and even detracted from the event visually, as it was dreary and mostly empty in there, at least in watching the video.

El keniano, I don't know how many Americans gloated about the 2013 silver over Kenya. I think we were flabbergasted and grateful for this brief shining moment in a history of losing.

For a start, I doubt if anybody thinks Kipchoge is ten years older than his real age (ie 45 not 35).

3 or 4 years older than he's claiming wouldn't be stretching it, and if he was an age cheat (from junior days - I have no idea if he is or not) then it would also not be stretching it to believe he is and has always been juiced to the gills and benefited from continuous EPO use for perhaps over two decades, in which case his achievements, including a WR at 37 or 38, wouldn't be so impossible.

Kipchoge has had as many positives as Coe, Cram and Ovett combined.

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It's very convenient to just assume all East Africans are age cheats and doping, isn't it? What a lazy world we live in.

broadbrushes wrote:

It's very convenient to just assume all East Africans are age cheats and doping, isn't it? What a lazy world we live in.

How dumb are you? I didn't claim Kipchoge is a cheat - I'd like to think he is one of the least likely Kenyan dopers. I was just pointing out that it's stupid to try to discredit the claim that age cheating is a problem in Kenya/East Africa by using the straw man of Kipchoge being an absurd ten years older than he claims.

Coevett wrote:

broadbrushes wrote:

It's very convenient to just assume all East Africans are age cheats and doping, isn't it? What a lazy world we live in.

How dumb are you? I didn't claim Kipchoge is a cheat - I'd like to think he is one of the least likely Kenyan dopers. I was just pointing out that it's stupid to try to discredit the claim that age cheating is a problem in Kenya/East Africa by using the straw man of Kipchoge being an absurd ten years older than he claims.

Coming from someone who frequently uses a single case or small group of people to judge an entire population, it's funny that you would take umbrage to someone else doing so.

But to that point, it wasn't a strawman. The poster you responded to took offense to those saying Jakob was the first junior, implying that all East Africans age cheat, and so it only takes one example to nullify the argument he was refuting.

At 4/2/2019 - 3:55PM

Coevett wrote:

..... also not be stretching it to believe he (Kipchoge) is and has always been juiced to the gills and benefited from continuous EPO use for perhaps over two decades, in which case his achievements, including a WR at 37 or 38, wouldn't be so impossible.

At 4/2/2019 - 4:11PM, 16 minutes later

Coevett wrote:

How dumb are you? I didn't claim Kipchoge is a cheat - I'd like to think he is one of the least likely Kenyan dopers.

Need I say more?

Doping Detector wrote:

An honest analysis by The (formerly vegan) Runner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVgDDuf_BTs

Agreed there is no way Kejelcha is younger than 25.