VIOLAH JEPCHUMBA, a 65-minute half-marathoner and Ken-born athlete. busted for EPO.

If a dope for trolling exists I would think you are on it, Gary.

Looks like a false dichotomy. How many athletes do you suppose take EPO based on second hand experience of other athletes? Who here is speaking from first hand experience of taking EPO and experiencing that it works? If not, you must be an internet troll with a theory and no data.

so crazy wrote:

Right. What is more plausible. All the athletes taking epo that have first hand experience that it works and the supporting studies are right or that some internet troll with an agenda, wild theories, and no data is right. Pretty simple, the flat earthers of epo are wrong.

How to use one's brain for intelligent thinking wrote:

Oh Please wrote:

Canova, if I have properly understood him, says that elite athletes who are PROPERLY trained have no other room for improvement, rendering EPO uneffective for them. That is not to say that those that are lesser trained cannot also take a shortcut to that level via EPO.

That is not just true of elite athletes, but of anyone.

Synthetic EPO, as with almost all medications, is simply another placebo scam that does nothing particularly useful to anyone.

Obvious troll. I refuse to believe that anyone is this stupid.

I guess by "only question" you mean EPO enables increased level of training which leads to better than natural results? If it is the "only question" that matters, you'd think this would be studied. Yet this is a complaint about most studies because training is not a variable in the study. I would be interested to see an outcome of such a study.

Curs bistander wrote:

Que Sera Sera wrote:

Calling Jon Orange to the front desk.....

This is the only question that matters in the EPO debate, everything else is just pedantics.

Rekrunner?

Ciao for now.

damn bro can't you stop? wrote:

If a dope for trolling exists I would think you are on it.

Question to Bad Wigins: Is there any real benefit to altitude training for a marathoner?

Coming here to acknowledge that when we share that an American athlete is suspected of doping we do not write that they are American born in the title of threads.

When all the NOP stuff was happening, we didn't write that American born Rupp is being investigated or American born Ajee Wilson is being investigated over tainted beef.

Dopers need to be caught and kicked out of the sport. Writing where someone was born is irrelevant, outdated, and lazy.

rekrunner wrote:

Looks like a false dichotomy. How many athletes do you suppose take EPO based on second hand experience of other athletes?

Who here is speaking from first hand experience of taking EPO and experiencing that it works?

If not, you must be an internet troll with a theory and no data.

so crazy wrote:

Right. What is more plausible. All the athletes taking epo that have first hand experience that it works and the supporting studies are right or that some internet troll with an agenda, wild theories, and no data is right. Pretty simple, the flat earthers of epo are wrong.

Hi Gary, I used EPO and it worked.

Your Welcome

No I am stating that you are completely making shit up without any support at all. You are inventing conclusions with no supporting evidence or facts at all.

rekrunner wrote:

Are you suggesting it's not possible to make an affirmative claim about the cause(s) of the observed 5% improvement without making faith based assumptions?

And that different assumptions, with the same facts, will lead to different conclusions?

Rekrunner is a liar wrote:

Based off of no evidence at all, but solely and purely on faith.

Welcome to the forum -- how come you have never posted until now?

Christian but not the Lion wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

Looks like a false dichotomy. How many athletes do you suppose take EPO based on second hand experience of other athletes?

Who here is speaking from first hand experience of taking EPO and experiencing that it works?

If not, you must be an internet troll with a theory and no data.

I used EPO and it worked.

Your Welcome

rekrunner wrote:

Welcome to the forum -- how come you have never posted until now?

Making very poor assumptions again.

Based off of no evidence at all, but solely and purely on faith. Some of what I say is self-evident. Some of what I say is based on historical data, like all time performances. I don't draw conclusions that I haven't supported with facts, evidence, logic, and arguments. I do sometimes offer opinions which may have less or no basis. Maybe you have specific examples?

Rekrunner is a liar wrote:

No I am stating that you are completely making shit up without any support at all. You are inventing conclusions with no supporting evidence or facts at all.

rekrunner wrote:

Are you suggesting it's not possible to make an affirmative claim about the cause(s) of the observed 5% improvement without making faith based assumptions?

And that different assumptions, with the same facts, will lead to different conclusions?

Well she is Bahraini now, nothing to do with Kenya, question the Bahrain athletics federation.... she is not one of us.

rekrunner wrote:

Welcome to the forum -- how come you have never posted until now?

Christian but not the Lion wrote:

I used EPO and it worked.

Your Welcome

Um, I did back when people were angrily defending me against doping accusations. I owned up to it and you can read about it elsewhere.

moran.

rekrunner wrote:

Based off of no evidence at all, but solely and purely on faith.

I don't draw conclusions that I haven't supported with facts, evidence, logic, and arguments.

I do sometimes offer opinions which may have less or no basis.

Maybe you have specific examples?

Rekrunner is a liar wrote:

No I am stating that you are completely making shit up without any support at all. You are inventing conclusions with no supporting evidence or facts at all.

[quote]rekrunner wrote:

You assume that she could not run faster than 69:29 clean. This is where we part.

Hey Christian, what kind of time drop did you see during use? It's a little difficult to figure out your progression given the times being scrubbed from record.

James Thie, Paul Kezes and Pat Gurin, among others, used to be all over these boards back in 2005 when the rumours first came about- James in particular was threatening to 'beat' people on the street for 'slandering' Christian.

Christian, I'd be curious to know what the relationship/conversation was like with those guys post-pop after they went all out on social media for you.

James, Paul, or Pat, if you guys are lurking, feel free to chime in!

OK. No problem. Just provide the link. I searched using your handle, but found nothing.

Christian but not the lion wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

Welcome to the forum -- how come you have never posted until now?

Um, I did back when people were angrily defending me against doping accusations. I owned up to it and you can read about it elsewhere.

Mo Ran.