...that is why we have the term "intersex".
That's your term. I call 'em circus freak hermaphrodites😀
...that is why we have the term "intersex".
That's your term. I call 'em circus freak hermaphrodites😀
Sponsor wrote:
Wana bet both these women lose sponsors who cave in to political pressure to drop them? I'm sure they both have shoe deals or they do ads for something.
The three of them including Bishop are very important for women's athletics.
I seriously doubt that wrote:
Sponsor wrote:Wana bet both these women lose sponsors who cave in to political pressure to drop them? I'm sure they both have shoe deals or they do ads for something.
The three of them including Bishop are very important for women's athletics.
No one would notice or care about these chicks if Caster wasn't in their event.
Deco wrote:
I just wish Semenya would bust out a 1:50 and end this madness. The only reason there's any debate is because she's only a couple seconds better than the other girls. If she ran to her full potential she would immediately be banned.
It they keep this farce up it's only a matter of time until the women's world records are not held by any women.
1) I dont think Caster can run so much faster like everyone else. Maybe she can get teh WR but she's working hard out ther.
2) I don't like the fact that the focus is on Caster. The 3 medallists are all believed to have the same condition. That's the key thing to me.
Justice4caster wrote:
I talked to a friend of mine who I know is not racist. She got me to see some of the other side of this.
Race has NOTHING to do with this.
1) We were and are opposed to the former media darling - the 'great white male' South African Oscar Pistorius - from competing on his artificial legs. The fact that we thought it was unfair for a white man without legs to compete in the men's category of the Olympics should prove to everyone that we are about protecting the integrity of the sport period. Race/sex/etc has nothing to do with it.
2)I'm opposed to Caitlyn/Bruce Jenner competing in the women's category as well without treatment. He was formerly a white male and is now a white female.
rojo wrote:
2) I don't like the fact that the focus is on Caster. The 3 medallists are all believed(!!!!!) to have the same condition.
Believed... enough for the letsrun crowd to blast these other women.
Very well said.
A fed up regular wrote:
Most of the people who are reporters writing about this in the news are non athletic people who dont even report normally on athletics. They are social justice warrior LGBT activists with a blog or journalist with a left wing website. They know nothing about track nor do they care. Track to them is a social experiment ground. These people stick their nose in everything with their agendas. Not only did they shove their big mouths into what they don't know, they falsified a report on the poland girls quote, to drum up more outrage. It's total dishonesty.
The LGBT pride movement is an anti religious, anti-female, and anti-anything of common sens. It's just extreme agendas. I'm sick of it. These men were allowed to compete out of intimidation by the LGBT mafia. They threaten to ruin anyone who doesn't conform to this gender identity poppycock. The media is completely sold out to it too, they promote it.
Watching that race the entire time I thought this is what they want for the country, and all countries?". This is their vision?. This is their objective? Men clobbering women and we have to pretend its a great achievement?
I have very little respect for the I.O.C , they sold those women out who finished outside the top 3. We all have to go along with this stupid agenda because people in charge won't speak up, they just cave in out of fear of media scrutiny.
If this were even 10 years ago there would have been none of those shenanigans letting men in a ladies competition. The lunatics are running the media and they scare everyone with threats of smearing their reputation if you don't cave in, and accept that 1 plus 1 = 5.
I also think the vast majority of people who know this sport, know this is years 800 meters was pure crap. Many people are afraid to say it though because you speak up, and theres consequences now. Political correctness is fascism.
Le veritable wrote:
Semenya is also very definitely not a man, that is why we have the term "intersex".
It's pretty depressing how completely incapable of subtlety people on this forum are.
It's a grey area, stop pretending you have the definite answer. If you think you do, it's because you're a liar or an idiot
If her and the others would just lay their cards on the table instead of stonewalling and not answering questions about their physiology they would probably get more sympathy.
Even the SJW don't understand subtlety. This buzzfeed "journalist" says Semenya has high T, which has never been acknowledged by the IAAF or Semenya. And as Rojo said above, its bad enough that Semenya is getting all heat for this, when Wambui and Niyonsaba are in the same position.
And I'm replying to ravving lunatic because "her" (not sure if you mean Sharp or Semenya) shouldn't have anything to say and shouldn't lay their cards in the court of public opinion. They are following the rules and that is it.
CAS should either let IAAF determine what a woman is, or CAS should tell IAAF what a woman is, and the athletes should follow the rules. The thing that makes this bullshit is there is no rule.
ravving lunatic wrote:
Le veritable wrote:Semenya is also very definitely not a man, that is why we have the term "intersex".
It's pretty depressing how completely incapable of subtlety people on this forum are.
It's a grey area, stop pretending you have the definite answer. If you think you do, it's because you're a liar or an idiot
If her and the others would just lay their cards on the table instead of stonewalling and not answering questions about their physiology they would probably get more sympathy.
There are SJWd on nothing sides here. Whiny SJW feminists that are defending Sharpe, and whiny SJW LGBTQA+ activists defending Semenya.
True alphas take the position that all of these people are whiny cucks, and no one should care about women's sports. Do people debate WNBA Stars this much? It's clear many of them are intersex as well.
Anyone else interested in seeing a MMA bout between Semenya and Schippers? T/F is turning into a circus, might as well jump all the way in!
macdaddy wrote:
rojo wrote:2) I don't like the fact that the focus is on Caster. The 3 medallists are all believed(!!!!!) to have the same condition.
Believed... enough for the letsrun crowd to blast these other women.
It's fairly obvious though.
When the other two have been asked about it, they've just dodged the question and said they don't want to talk about that.
If they hadn't been on the testosterone reduction meds, surely it would have been in their best interests to say that they haven't. By ducking the question, it confirms that they were.
Joanna Joswik
"I'm glad I'm the first European, the second white," she added.
Stupid, stupid, stupid
info411 wrote:
Definitely not Blankenship wrote:[
I know you were being sarcastic, but if someone is siding with jozwikand sharpe on this, he or she is a bigot.
You act like this is a slap in the face of all women, when it really only affects the top .0001%. Whether or not Semenya wins gold has nothing to do with a HS girl running 2:20 or even an NCAA D1 runner going 2:02. They should be able to find enjoyment in the sport without having to be chasing Olympic glory.
I ran 1:58 in college, I will never run in the Olympic trials, but I still live and breathe the sport.
the issue is in addition to the olympic also the levels all the way up to them. For jr athletes, youth, high school etc, if transgender men are allowed to compete in them, all levels are affected[/quote]
The issue affects all women athletes. From the junior athlete running flat out beaten in high school by the intersex 12 year old, to the athletes that give up because they can't get selected for lower grade meets in order to run the times to get on teams. It affects everyone. Women who don't even do athletics but who might take it up are put off because they don't have the "correct" body type seen in the media to be succeeding at the top level. Coaches who favour intersex athletes with a certain body type and ignore female athletes who would improve with coaching. Little girls who aren't yet athletes but who watch the Olympics on tv and see women completely different from those around them and assume running 800m is unattainable.
And now its not only going to be 800m but 400m runners affected, because Semenya is down to run in the 400m in Brussels in the Diamond League.
Yeah, you'd think that the SJW idiots that concocted that quote would come up with something more subtle.
White tears wrote:
Joanna Joswik"I'm glad I'm the first European, the second white," she added.
Stupid, stupid, stupid
Not XY wrote:
The issue affects all women athletes. From the junior athlete running flat out beaten in high school by the intersex 12 year old, to the athletes that give up because they can't get selected for lower grade meets in order to run the times to get on teams. It affects everyone. Women who don't even do athletics but who might take it up are put off because they don't have the "correct" body type seen in the media to be succeeding at the top level. Coaches who favour intersex athletes with a certain body type and ignore female athletes who would improve with coaching. Little girls who aren't yet athletes but who watch the Olympics on tv and see women completely different from those around them and assume running 800m is unattainable.
And now its not only going to be 800m but 400m runners affected, because Semenya is down to run in the 400m in Brussels in the Diamond League.
riiiight, just like the big, bad dopers at the top have ruined the sport, because now we have grade school kids taking testosterone ad age-groupers slathering on EPO creams.
Chill. You're overreacting. If a woman watches the Olympics and decides "I a giving up running the 400m and 800m." That is not Semenya's fault. That is not the CAS ruling's fault or the IAAF, that is merely one person's decision.
When I watch Lebron James play basketball, I say to myself "I can't do that". Does that make basketball less popular? No. Does it make it less entertaining? no. Does it hurt the sport because I am not participating? No.
Tobefair wrote:
No one would notice or care about these chicks if Caster wasn't in their event.
Caring about the women is exactly why people don't like the idiots like Semenya.
rojo wrote:
2) I don't like the fact that the focus is on Caster. The 3 medallists are all believed to have the same condition. That's the key thing to me.
Start speaking up, posting articles, posting headlines, speaking up for the real women about this travesty, and get the rulings changed to prevent Y SRY men in the women's events, instead of just doing nothing.
Thank you
trollism wrote:
When the other two have been asked about it, they've just dodged the question and said they don't want to talk about that.
If they hadn't been on the testosterone reduction meds, surely it would have been in their best interests to say that they haven't. By ducking the question, it confirms that they were.
I think what you mean is that if their testosterone had been reduced, they would have said so, but their testosterone was still way above the limit and way too high, so they didn't say anything because they are guilty drug gender cheats.
Definitely Not Blankenship wrote:
Not XY wrote:The issue affects all women athletes. From the junior athlete running flat out beaten in high school by the intersex 12 year old, to the athletes that give up because they can't get selected for lower grade meets in order to run the times to get on teams. It affects everyone. Women who don't even do athletics but who might take it up are put off because they don't have the "correct" body type seen in the media to be succeeding at the top level. Coaches who favour intersex athletes with a certain body type and ignore female athletes who would improve with coaching. Little girls who aren't yet athletes but who watch the Olympics on tv and see women completely different from those around them and assume running 800m is unattainable.
And now its not only going to be 800m but 400m runners affected, because Semenya is down to run in the 400m in Brussels in the Diamond League.
riiiight, just like the big, bad dopers at the top have ruined the sport, because now we have grade school kids taking testosterone ad age-groupers slathering on EPO creams.
Chill. You're overreacting. If a woman watches the Olympics and decides "I a giving up running the 400m and 800m." That is not Semenya's fault. That is not the CAS ruling's fault or the IAAF, that is merely one person's decision.
When I watch Lebron James play basketball, I say to myself "I can't do that". Does that make basketball less popular? No. Does it make it less entertaining? no. Does it hurt the sport because I am not participating? No.
I think you need to see a psychologist, to help you with your thought processes and socialisation skills.
I would suggest a sports psychologist, but that would be some way down the line.