OMG. America's newest star has arrived!! True frosh Donavan Brazier runs 1:45.93 in first-ever collegiate 800!!

Brazier Burger wrote:

athlete tracker wrote:

Made the Olympics in one of the most competitive periods ever for the U.S. 800.

Does that meet your approval?

Not really if we are talking about saviors of the event, which people seem to think is the case here.

Excellent troll. Of course, Peterson did not run his 1:45.88 as an 18 year-old so you have no real point. Apples and oranges.

Easily the most exciting jr 800m run the US has seen since Jim Ryun. It is indoor AJR by 1.91 seconds and the kid still has 50 weeks of junior eligibility left.

Watch any of the his videos. The kid's as smooth as silk and looks well within himself as he runs.

athlete tracker wrote:

Brazier Burger wrote:

Not really if we are talking about saviors of the event, which people seem to think is the case here.

Well, everyone ahead of him on the world junior all-time list (all four of them) has an OG and/or WC medal. But sure, if 1:45 at 18 could mean nothing in your mind please feel free to proceed in that belief...preferably in a bet with me.

Where are you getting this nothing from?

162430 wrote:

Brazier Burger wrote:

Not really if we are talking about saviors of the event, which people seem to think is the case here.

Excellent troll. Of course, Peterson did not run his 1:45.88 as an 18 year-old so you have no real point. Apples and oranges.

Easily the most exciting jr 800m run the US has seen since Jim Ryun. It is indoor AJR by 1.91 seconds and the kid still has 50 weeks of junior eligibility left.

And how much faster did Ryun get?

Brazier Burger wrote:

Where are you getting this nothing from?

LOL ... that is where you are getting things from.

UR score was 0/10

UR new score is 1/10

If one were to read my comments the past three or four months, I predicted a sub-46 400 metres US teenager would do very well in 800 metres this year. To Donavan Brazier: 1) academics, 2) training; 3) US Olympic trials. Judging by Brazier's 45+ 400 metres speed, I can pleasantly assume the young man is not doing outdated Arthur Lydiard 800 metres training. To Brazier's coach: indoors do not mean anything! Please don't over race Donavan Brazier! There have been only three 800 metres men in past 45 years to survive NCAA over racing and win Olympic gold: 1) Dave Wottle; 2)Joaquim Cruz; 3) Paul Ereng. [I assume if someone else has won Olympic 800 metres gold the past 45 years, over racing under NCAA D1 or D2 program, someone will correct me.]

Brazier Burger wrote:

And how much faster did Ryun get?

Ummm, his 1:44.9 880y was a WR.

Because you know ZERO about T&F.

"in only his fifth competitive 880-yard race, he bested Snell’s four-year old half-mile record with a time of 1:44.9."

Marshall was a huge talent and ran 1:43 already in 1984. 1:47.84 in the Garden is no joke.

and on a proper indoor track, not an oversized oval.

ironside wrote:

If one were to read my comments the past three or four months, I predicted a sub-46 400 metres US teenager would do very well in 800 metres this year. To Donavan Brazier: 1) academics, 2) training; 3) US Olympic trials. Judging by Brazier's 45+ 400 metres speed, I can pleasantly assume the young man is not doing outdated Arthur Lydiard 800 metres training. To Brazier's coach: indoors do not mean anything! Please don't over race Donavan Brazier! There have been only three 800 metres men in past 45 years to survive NCAA over racing and win Olympic gold: 1) Dave Wottle; 2)Joaquim Cruz; 3) Paul Ereng. [I assume if someone else has won Olympic 800 metres gold the past 45 years, over racing under NCAA D1 or D2 program, someone will correct me.]

Um.... Three men won 800m gold while competing in the NCAA system between 1972 and 2012? The Olympics are only held once every 4 years. So, 3 out of the last 11. That is 27%.

Compare that to the 1 man who has ever won the Olympics while age 22 or younger who was NOT in the NCAA system (Schumann). It is almost like you are promoting the NCAA system, but are too dumb to realize it.

Yeah. It seems like over racing in the NCAA season is a great way to prep for Olympic 800m gold.

p.s. Nick Symmonds just shat himself.

XCavhs wrote:

What a day for the NCAA 800, Kidder breaks collegiate 1000 record and then Brazier absolutely blows everyone's expectations out of the water!

Just a note on Brannon Kidder, the new 1k record holder: he has pr's of 1:45.58 (1:47i) and 3:38, after running 4:03.12 in high school in 2012. An Andrews like talent with those numbers and the 2:18 record?

Duuuuude! wrote:

Yeah. It seems like over racing in the NCAA season is a great way to prep for Olympic 800m gold.

I like how everyone is talking about over-racing because he ran ONE RACE.

Goucher Needles wrote:

My guess, however is that because he's in a low volume sprint-based program, he'll be up and down in terms of consistency and will top out in college in the upper 1:43s, low 1:44s.

Do you mean that as his top-out as a collegian or lifetime top-out?

The former would be pretty damn good. The latter would be a failure of coaching/program.

Dude is a leaner Rudisha with better endurance.

athlete tracker wrote:

Duuuuude! wrote:

Yeah. It seems like over racing in the NCAA season is a great way to prep for Olympic 800m gold.

I like how everyone is talking about over-racing because he ran ONE RACE.

WHAT??!!! HE RAN A RACE??? HE'S TOAST!!!!

I think you're looking for the Luke Puskedra thread

162430: That 27% is not 27% from one nation. Take the inverse of 27% smart ass. Seventy-three percent of the world Olympic gold medalists since 1972 have not trained in the US NCAA D1 or D2 system. If we go back to 1896 the NCAA will look really bad regarding the 800 metres and Summer Olympics. Ralph Doubell, 1968 800 metres gold, University of Melbourne. Peter Snell, not a product of NCAA D1 or D2. I can keep going. Your percentage is getting worse! As you know 162430, Kenya does not send their top 800 metres men to NCAA D1 or D2. Mike Boit came to US to go to college AFTER he no longer raced. Are you a 12 years old, a coach or a life long hobby jogger? I can't image one would defend NCAA for all the 4x800 metres and medleys 800 metres runners must race in the NCAA D1 & D2 system. 162430, what is the optimum number of 400m, 800m, 1500m, one mile races a 800 metres specialist should race per calendar year?

I apologize for shooting your argument down. I also apologize that the posters who have responded so far agree that you are an idiot. It has clearly upset you and I feel bad.

Since 1972, 4 men have won Olympic 800m gold at the age of 22 or under. 3 of the 4 were NCAA athletes. I never would've known this without you. Thanks a million. It is an eye opening statistic.

Trialswatcher wrote:

Marshall's 1:47.84 on Garden 11 lap to mile track vs. this absolute new age speedway?

This is not "bitter old timer" speak, it is hard to even compare the two marks.

Despite the gap in time it was really hard to even break 1:50 on old Garden boards.

There were many years and many nice tracks for a young American to run faster.

Robby Andrews sure had his chances.

I agree 1:47.84 on MSG track is hard to do.

That MSG track is a very slow track for the 800.

But the atmosphere was electric.