Daily Mail reporter confronts AlSal at his Portland home

In da know wrote:

No, he's had anger issues all his life, which he's acknowledged in two books.

Like 90% of the posters on LR.

"Like 90% of the posters on LR."

But only Salazar has the power to focus his hate to get someone DQ'ed at a major meet to secure the "victory" for his team.

Hail Mary wrote:

U of Oregon Class of 1981 wrote:

Why do the BroJos, amongst others, harbor so much hatred for Alberto and the NOP? One simple word: Jealousy. That's what it comes down to.

Well I for one am HAPPY and PROUD of what Alberto's accomplished. I guess I can't relate to your guys' INSECURITY. Maybe you should all look in the mirror before defaming Alberto.

Typical Oregon grad. Cannot talk about the issue. It must be "hatred" or "jealousy" or "insecurity."

If you are so happy and proud of Alberto, then why can't you post under your own name, "1981", and address each charge one by one? Because you can't, and if Alberto could he already would've.

You're right about one thing - Alberto has the power of prayer on his side. The only thing he has left is a 'Hail Mary'.

Very good!

I don't find the allegations to come across as cheating/doping. We all know Galen has had asthma since a child…this is not cheating using an inhaler. My friend has severe asthma and NEEDS inhalers to live, but shouldn't be able to run because this medical condition? It's a major handicap to have asthma and even when you have steroid inhalers he still has complications especially if he gets sick. He takes prednisone when he gets sick to help clear the inflammation faster and usually feels like hell when on it. Thyroid conditions probably develop from excessive training. Not to be messed with because I had a teammate that had a thyroid condition and took medication, his weight would go from skinny to fat, who wants a medication causing weight gain once off of it?

It sounds to be like these are petty allegations and nothing there at all. I'm kind of disgusted by the constant bombardment of it. The whole Lauren freshman article was ridiculous. So she seeks Alberto out to help her get an inhaler when prior a doctor said she didn't need one. He helps her and she gets one…then she writes an article slamming him for helping her out. He tells her to take it a certain way and my God what a horrible human and cheater for telling her to breathe it through her noes.

Am I the only one who finds this shit petty? It's NOT cheating or doping.

Cheating was Tyson Gay who is already at the track competing for the USA, where was the slander and constant bashing on this dude? What's with the hate with the NOP?

NOP has too many supplement/prescription-med/TUE/non-prescription-med enhaced Cheetahs. One is one too many. Salazar has two, and likely three, top-level Cheetahs.

1. Lying to get TUEs. If these medications were used only to treat pre-existing conditions, that's one thing. Instead, we have numerous people describing how Salazar has coached his athletes to say and do the right things IN ORDER TO BE DIAGNOSED WITH A CONDITION that then gives them "legal" access to drugs with performance enhancing benefits. See the numerous athletes describing the "routine" to get asthma drugs or Salazar coaching Rupp on how to get a TUE for an IV.

2. Using medication for performance enhancement, not medical need. While taking thyroid meds extends far beyond Alberto's group, it's my opinion, and many others, that if your body becomes too fatigued by training to regulate itself, you need to adjust your training, not your body. I see no clear difference between using testosterone or steroids to improve recovery and using thyroid to improve recovery. The end is the same. The only difference is that thyroid is legal, steroids/test is not. If you could get a TUE for testosterone, everything we know indicates that Al Sal woudl have a bunch of athletes with low testosterone levels. (We know he already treated Galen for it...). This is not "I will die without my inhaler," this is a strategic attempt to get access to medical treatments that may improve performance regardless of medical need.

3. Illegal disbursement of prescription drugs. The issue isn't just legal TUEs, but illegal use of Rx drugs. Note Kara Goucher and cytomel, as well as sending Rx drugs through the mail. It is a crime to give drugs to people without a medical license, and it is illegal to send prescription drugs through the mail to people who don't need them.

4. Potential long-term physical harm to athletes. Related to (2) and (3) above, these drugs are not harmless. Thyroid drugs, and some asthma drugs, can have negative side effects. Thyroid drugs especially can affect people's metabolism for life, and have extremely negative side effects if misused. For example, suggesting Kara use thyroid for WEIGHT LOSS, and providing an Rx not for her, is both illegal and puts her health at risk. That's why a real doctor, not a mad scientist, told Salazar in so many words to knock that shit off.

5. Illegal performance enhancing drugs. The allegations extend far beyond just TUEs. Note the testosterone on Galen's chart, note the Androgel in Salazar's room during the training camp, note Salazar's son being tested for testosterone to see what levels they can reach without being detected, note the witness testimony of NOP doctors telling the anonymous runner that he will get him on testosterone to even out his levels. Also note the non-definitive circumstantial evidence of unlabeled vials in cabs and training camp. It ain't just about thyroid and inhalers.

So, no, I for one do not find lying to get TUEs, using medication off purposes, illegal distributing drugs, putting athlete's bodies at risk, and potentially using banned substance as "PETTY."

This is a great post which deserves to be quoted again. But why, wejo, why do you hide this in the middle of one of dozens of threads on NOP. I just hate it when I find hidden gems on lrc. It means that I haven't known what lots of other people knew.

Roelants wrote:

Can you tell us what the 17 people said?

Here, through the not-so-subtle use of the word "us," Roelants exhibits a cardinal sign of the unrepentant moron by pretending to be part of a larger faction who shares his tard-eqsue ideas. An honest poster would have written, "Can you tell me what the 17 people said?"

But of course even that would have been just as stupid, because these people have been extensively quoted in newspapers and have spoken on camera. Roelants has evidently quit reading the papers and most likely didn't watch the BBC program because he was never going to accept the facts of this matter anyway.

Oh, and the whiny equally dumb-headed "You think you know everything" tactic also did not go unnoticed. I don't have to know the entire history of that tube of Androgel to know that 17 (actually more) people have gone on record about Salazar being an unethical shitball. I would say "nice try," but I can't offer even the most sarcastic of praise to someone who either derives sexual gratification from spewing dishonesty or is the victim of congenital mental handicaps.

Remember hands up dont shoot in Missouri? One guy said that is what he saw then 35 backed it under questioning by police. The media went around saying no way that many are lying. The autopsy proved otherwise. In this case there is no smoking gun. Innocent until proved guilty.

nobrojos wrote:

Am I the only one who finds this shit petty? It's NOT cheating or doping.

Cheating was Tyson Gay who is already at the track competing for the USA, where was the slander and constant bashing on this dude? What's with the hate with the NOP?

This is a good effort from the NOP Internet Community Coordinators dungeon.

I like the veiled "bitter losers are the only ones who care." You did a great job at keeping the tone almost reasonable.

I LOVE the distaste for the fact a media property has so many doping allegations they can stretch them out over weeks and weeks. It was subtle blend of personalized appeal and Flat Earth Science club that makes it so good. Good work.

And then you close pretending doping teenagers with Testosterone is all good. Excellent work.

9/10 You've got some talent for this. A career in politics is calling. A campaign will pluck you out of the herd of volunteers quickly. Not kidding.

gwalkerruns wrote:

Remember hands up dont shoot in Missouri? One guy said that is what he saw then 35 backed it under questioning by police. The media went around saying no way that many are lying. The autopsy proved otherwise. In this case there is no smoking gun. Innocent until proved guilty.

Yeah, and (pretending that is actually what happened in Ferguson), that situation is a perfect reflection of the NOP mess, because what's happening with the Salazar thing is that one person came forward (Magness) and the other 16 said, "Yeah, that's exactly what I saw happening with Magness, Rupp and Salazar." Just a bunch of unreliable witnesses to a SINGLE INCIDENT of improper conduct.

Oh, WAIT! That's NOT what happened! The 17 or more all had their OWN accounts!

At this point you're the most far-gone retard posting in the thread. Roelants is a denialist, but you're simply not neurologically equipped to be debating anything more complicated than the rules of tic-tac-toe.

Trollus Maximus wrote:

You're cute wrote:

Lol internet tough guy

Since when did harassment become acceptable? There are more ethical ways to uncover the truth than confronting somebody at their home. Utterly classless paparazzi vulture tactics.

I agree. The people who think it is okay to harass hard working people at their homes and to smear their reputations on the internet are sad and ignorant losers.

"Still, it’s a courageous thing Magness has done. He’s only 30 and keen to become a top American coach after being one of the best college milers in the history of US track and field."Yes, a superb journalist.Irrespective of whatever AS might have done as regards cheating, the journalism from the Daily Mail surrounding all of this is pitiful by any serious standard, and it's embarrassing how quickly LetsRun is to link the article.

Extended Metatard wrote:

Oh, WAIT! That's NOT what happened! The 17 or more all had their OWN accounts!

At this point you're the most far-gone retard posting in the thread. Roelants is a denialist, but you're simply not neurologically equipped to be debating anything more complicated than the rules of tic-tac-toe.

17 accounts of Salazar encouraging them to get tested for everything and use every result possible to get on asthma, thyroid, Test, etc, medications? That's just 17 accounts of the same program. It could be hundred or a thousand or a million accounts of the same Gray Zone stuff, it wouldn't make a difference. If they have evidence of real doping then that would be interesting to hear. Now if Gouchers confessed to injecting pure EPO and asked for their careers to be wiped and said that Salazar was the one providing/supervising their doping.... that would be a game changer. Until then, it is just a bunch of the below or things that be explained as the below:

Salazar had purchased the “super-supplement” that scientific studies suggested could improve performance by 11%? Although technically legal it does show that Salazar is always looking for new ways to boost his athletes performance and is willing to test the limits of what is allowed under the WADA code. “The Sunday Times understands that Steve Magness, a former assistant coach on the Nike Oregon Project, agreed to be a “guinea pig” for the injections which, the team hoped, would accelerate the supplement’s performance-enhancing effects. A source close to Magness suggested the injections may have “skirted the spirit of the sport”. Physical tests conducted on Magness within days of his injections are believed to have shown improvements in his performance of up to 9%.Jackie Areson, an American athlete and a member of the Nike Oregon Project at the time of the deliveries, said the drink containing L-carnitine was presented as “a prerequisite” to being part of the team and that she regularly consumed it from October 2011 to April 2012. She said she later refused to have L-carnitine injections.”

feeling stupid wrote:

[quote]wejo wrote:

I didn't quite realizing the timing of this but then when I got back from the Olympics we got a letter from his lawyer asking for the IP addresses and "identification information" of 117 different poster's names who he claimed were defaming his client. I told him we were not legally liable for the information posters posted but that if he would send me the posts that he deemed were defamatory I would look into them. I viewed it totally as an intimidation tactic or an attempt to find out who his critics were. The lawyer did not write back with a single post that was defamatory.

NOP/USATF is a more sophisticated version of Lance Armstrong/USA Cycling.

Awesome stuff.

gwalkerruns wrote:

Remember hands up dont shoot in Missouri? One guy said that is what he saw then 35 backed it under questioning by police.

Source

Backnhell wrote:

"Like 90% of the posters on LR."

But only Salazar has the power to focus his hate to get someone DQ'ed at a major meet to secure the "victory" for his team.

Also threatened Steve Magness' career for not toeing the line.

Completely agree. Keep hearing about how 17 athletes have spoken to the authorities. Not one has seen Alberto give Rupp or anyone else anything banned or for which they didnt have a TUE. Not one of the 17 even heard Alberto tell someone to take anything banned or for which they didn't have a TUE.

The whole NOP grey area stuff I find distasteful and they crossed lines I would not but apart from the testosterone claims there is little there outside the rules of the sport. How can they prove he was on testosterone when the guy who probably wrote the lab report is dead. Unless they get access to medical records impossible. Although if I were Rupp and Farah and were really inoccent I would be providing my medical records to the authorities.

The coaching to get Drips or Medication will also be impossible to prove. Alberto will just say the athletes said they didn't feel good or looked unwell so he recommended seeing a doctor. He will just pass off coaching to get meds as reminding athletes to tell the doc all their symptoms. Running round a track to get asthma tested will be justified by simulating the conditions which cause the asthma. Need more to do these guys properly. Also don't know why Farah is being treated as any more suspect than the other athletes in the group. He stated he is not on thyroid. Some of the others have improved more under Sal. I get he is a bigger name but the British media just love building someone up to tear them down.

All of it is untrue, yet Alberto and Nike have run for the bunkers?

ALBERTO CAN RUN BUT HE CAN'T HIDE.