Coach Shoots Attacker as he Walks Students to the Parking Lot

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I think you missed the joke. Google the poster's name :)

Lyndon LaRouche wrote:

but instead, another 26 nameless people have been murdered every day since this happened.

So you're willing to trade 26 human beings' lives every day for the possibility of headline making save by a person carrying a weapon? Again, an interesting moral calculus you have.

You posted a similar reply to me on p1 or 2.

Here are my thoughts.

My moral "calculus" prioritizes personal responsibility, and also the purpose of the Constitution and the 2nd Ammendment. I want citizens to have defense and protection of their rights.

It is unfortunate that 26 people are murdered. I certainly am not happy with that statistic. However, I am not willing to sacrifice the right to bear arms... especially for gun control laws that I doubt will accomplish the stated goals.

This is worth listening to.

Michigan Prosecutor wrote:

Haymitch Abernathy wrote:

Maybe I'm missing something, but where is the armed citizen (not a gangster out to commit a crime, a law-abiding citizen minding their own business when a shooter comes along) shooting back here?

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I think you missed the joke. Google the poster's name :)

That I certainly did.

Lyndon LaRouche wrote:

but instead, another 26 nameless people have been murdered every day since this happened.

So you're willing to trade 26 human beings' lives every day for the possibility of headline making save by a person carrying a weapon? Again, an interesting moral calculus you have.

And according to the facts in Australia after their gun ban, you're willing to trade the safety and defense of many more than 26 people.

After the gun ban:

Armed robberies: +69%

Assaults with guns: +28%

Gun Murders: +19%

Home Invasions: +21%

What does your moral calculus tell you about removing a person's ability to defend their home, their person, and their loved ones? You have no qualms with that?

stud mudder wrote:

And according to the facts in Australia after their gun ban, you're willing to trade the safety and defense of many more than 26 people.

After the gun ban:

Armed robberies: +69%

Assaults with guns: +28%

Gun Murders: +19%

Home Invasions: +21%

Australia gun murders are now 50% of what they were on either side of the Port Arthur masscre

armed robbery is now the same as it was in '96, and trending lower. This makes sense - the guns in circulation are declining.

so yes, I'd say a gun ban was worth it.

Since we shouldn't ban guns because it won't stop the bad people.

a) not that the govt is attempting to take away your guns....you dont' need an assault weapon to go to Starbucks

b) they had armed guards at Columbine - so it doesn't always work

c) since it won't deter the criminals, let's expound on that further and just not bother to ban doping...I mean there will always be people using...why should some of them have the AK-47 version while those doping legally are stuck with a 0.22 caliber??

One of the best pieces of TV ever was in the late 70's/early 80's in NYC when they put you in situations similar to what the NYPD encountered. It was up to you to determine if you shot the person or not. Situations were far from cut/dry..someone walking on the train tracks, you are yelling at them, no reply..and then they reach for their back pocket - Are they pulling out a wallet to tell you they are deaf/dumb? Are they going to shoot, etc? In each case there wasn't a reason to shoot, yet in each case the untrained person/civillian shot and killed. My dad was on the job at the time and one of the people used for the show.

I grew up in a town of cops/fireman - it was the impetus for Jimmy Mangold (3:10 to Yuma, etc) to write Copland. There were fewer recreational guns in that town compared to anyplace else I've lived. The only people who I saw have guns visible in the house, were those in the mob (Colombo family)

Lyndon LaRouche wrote:

stud mudder wrote:

And according to the facts in Australia after their gun ban, you're willing to trade the safety and defense of many more than 26 people.

After the gun ban:

Armed robberies: +69%

Assaults with guns: +28%

Gun Murders: +19%

Home Invasions: +21%

Australia gun murders are now 50% of what they were on either side of the Port Arthur masscre

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/australia

armed robbery is now the same as it was in '96, and trending lower. This makes sense - the guns in circulation are declining.

http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/violent%20crime/robbery.html

so yes, I'd say a gun ban was worth it.

The same as it was in '96? Did they have gun control or no in '96?

stud mudder wrote:

The same as it was in '96? Did they have gun control or no in '96?

No. The NFA was enacted at the end of '96. That was what allowed the Port Arthur massacre to occur. Nothing like it has occurred since...because of gun control.

if you look at the chart, you see armed robbery rising then falling. This makes sense - only the bad guys have guns. But as a general trend it falls. Just like the handgun murder rate, which is now half of what it was in 95-97 w/ the port authur massacre removed 60-70/yr vs 30/yr now.

Maybe So wrote:

Never accept any media report as fact -- especially one that is merely repeating the story of a shooter who killed someone.

Two guys approach, one has a gun out and trained on the old man, but the old guy gets the drop on both of them? Maybe. Maybe not.

The two girls were witnesses. Read the article.

Even moreso than gun control, we could really use some douche control around here...

Lyndon LaRouche wrote:

...because of gun control..

what works in Australia won't work in the US. The US is home to rugged individuals, and has a long frontier history.

MessTexas wrote:

what works in Australia won't work in the US. The US is home to rugged individuals, and has a long frontier history.

Spot on. Those liberal Australian wankers probably love their gun control. Everyone knows that Australia was colonized by the educated elite - so of course gun control works there. Ahmurica was colonized by God fearing, hot dog loving, red blooded Amer...uh, Europeans. So, yeah, it could never work here.

stud mudder wrote:

And according to the facts in Australia after their gun ban, you're willing to trade the safety and defense of many more than 26 people.

After the gun ban:

Armed robberies: +69%

Assaults with guns: +28%

Gun Murders: +19% (?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?)

Home Invasions: +21%

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyS3CEIbpJo

Whose "facts"?? Some random youtube video???

HERE are some actual FACTS for you. STOP MAKING $HIT UP.

"In Australia in 1996, a mass killing of 35 people galvanized the nation’s conservative prime minister to ban certain rapid-fire long guns. The “national firearms agreement,” as it was known, led to the buyback of 650,000 guns and to tighter rules for licensing and safe storage of those remaining in public hands.

The law did not end gun ownership in Australia. It reduced the number of firearms in private hands by one-fifth, and they were the kinds most likely to be used in mass shootings.

In the 18 years before the law, Australia suffered 13 mass shootings — but not one in the 14 years after the law took full effect. The murder rate with firearms has dropped by more than 40 percent, according to data compiled by the Harvard Injury Control Research Center, and the suicide rate with firearms has dropped by more than half" "

sam w wrote:

"those that trade freedom for security, in the end will have neither."

sam

Seriously?! So other civilized countries with gun control (and significantly less gun violence) have all given up their freedom and security?!

I'm sorry, but the 2nd Amendment has become archaic. I'm not advocating zero rights to own a gun (and neither are the vast majority of "liberals"), but we certainly need to do something about violence in our country and guns are part of the problem. Those thinking otherwise are going to be left behind. It's funny that someone referred to "anti-gun nut jobs" yet the majority of Americans want gun control and that number is only increasing. Those hanging on to the 2nd Amendment as an absolute right are dwindling and being exposed as the real "nut jobs" regarding this issue.

My brother-in-law has 3 passions... hunting, fly fishing, and golf. He's been hunting for 40+ years. Most of his wardrobe is from Cabela's. He owns a big truck and a 5th wheel. Outside of his intelligence, he's the poster-child for the NRA, yet he thinks the NRA are a bunch of whackos and he won't have anything to do with them. I'm sorry, but the pro-NRA voice is not what the majority of Americans want.

I do agree that past and the proposed legislation won't do much, but that's because politicians are still afraid of passing gun laws with any substance. As others have pointed out, Australia made significant change. It'll take a while, but we can do it here as well.

Better gun control mean killing both.

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osu fan wrote:

Really? wxyz.com? That's a real website for ABC7 news?

no way this is real.

6packjack wrote:

http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/man-shot-near-martin-luther-king-jr-high-school-in-detroit

High school coach was walking 2 girls to their car when they were appraoched by 2 armed attackers who pulled a gun. He shoots and kills one, sent other to hospital. Coach had valid CCW permit, was volunteer cop and 70 years old.

UM fan wrote:

http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/region/detroit/teen-shot-while-allegedly-trying-to-rob-basketball-coach-now-facing-charges

Detroit (WXYZ) - He was shot by a Martin Luther King High School basketball coach, and now a teen is facing charges.

The 15-year-old appeared for a hearing at the Juvenile Detention Center on St. Antoine in Detroit Saturday morning. He waived his right to a preliminary hearing.

He and his guardian were informed that he is being charged with armed robbery and assault with intent to rob while armed. The Wayne County Prosecutor wants to charge him as an adult. That means he could face life in prison.

in my state he could also be charged with homicide, even though the victim was the one that fired the gun killing the co-actor.

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