hold the phone wrote:
all the other threads you've been spamming -- then it becomes clear that you're in the grips of a truly irrational hate of Rupp and Salazar.
I believe it started soon after getting knocked back when asking for their autographs.
hold the phone wrote:
all the other threads you've been spamming -- then it becomes clear that you're in the grips of a truly irrational hate of Rupp and Salazar.
I believe it started soon after getting knocked back when asking for their autographs.
@rupp-certified saladbar
What's funny about your crusade is that most of you write about PEDs is actually wrong and the only way you would know what your talking about is to actually have a lot of first hand experience with PEDs yourself.
rupp-certified saladbar wrote:
...what do you think the chances are that Salazar's group will EVER make their prescriptions and TUEs public?
Mr. Obvious wrote:
Despite repeated posting of the question we have had exactly zero evidence supplied that anybody in the group has a TUE for anything--much less that ALL of them take thyroid medicine.
One way to find out. Open the books. Think these athletes are willing to come clean about the "grey area" their own coach says they operate in, in the same of clean sport?
rupp-certified saladbar wrote:
But what do you think the chances are that Salazar's group will EVER make their prescriptions and TUEs public?
pre841 wrote:
It would take quite a bit to get this through. Take a look at the HIPAA requirements.
http://www.hhs.gov/ocr/privacy/hipaa/understanding/summary/index.html
I'm not talking about making it mandatory. Of course that would be impossible.
I'm talking about coaches and athletes who BY THEIR OWN STATEMENT (http://law.duke.edu/sportscenter/salazar.pdf)operate in a grey area, VOLUNTARILY revealing their use of medications that would reasonably be linked to performance. If they have TUEs, those could/should be public as well.
As in thyroxin, inhaled corticosteroids, etc. Obviously we don't need to know about antibiotic use etc.
If any athlete doesn't feel he's doing something below board, why would this be a problem?
Nike runner wrote:
Once I started running 140 mpw, my body started to break down, my immune system deteriorsted, I had low energy and I wasn't recovering from workouts sufficiently.
It was determined that I needed to go on medication just to get my body back to normal so that all of the above no longer occurred.
What condition was diagnosed? What medication(s) did you use?
Your body couldn't handle a certain level of training without breaking down. Instead of changing your training, you took drugs to increase your training to a level you couldn't carry out without drugs.
That is the very definition of PED use (for training). I don't care it it's clenbuterol, HGH or thyroid medication for someone with a normal thyroid level by all medical definitions.
Congratulations.
meds needed here wrote:
Serious question - how would you get around HIPAA laws and disclose TUEs?
HIPAA doesn't apply to people voluntarilly disclosing facts about themselves, does it?
Gamera wrote:
I don't think athletes could be required to disclose. But I imagine it could be something like tax return disclosure for politicians. Somebody with nothing to hide might make public their "TUE list" (assuming such a thing exists). They might challenge others to do so. Those who refused would look like they had something to hide. I bet someone like Paula Radcliffe, who seemed to be pretty vociferous about making her blood available for testing now and anytime in the future, would go along with something like that. If some big names like that got on board, it might catch on.
^^^ THIS ^^^
Think Rupp would be in?
A Duck wrote:
Your methods are disingenuous and are not fooling any of the intelligent folk refuting you.
Refuting me? I have made no statements here to "refute." I have ASKED if people believe Rupp and other Salazar athletes, or elites in general, might consider a VOLUNTARY program wherein their TUEs and relevant medication use were made transparent. The fact that even asking the QUESTION offends you says a lot about your ethics.
A Duck wrote:
Your argument is destroyed in one sentence: Displaying what all the athletes have for TUE's would be an invasion of their privacy.
Your argument is destroyed by your illiteracy. Do you know the meaning of the word "VOLUNTARY"?
A Duck wrote:
Based on previous experience, it appears beyond your level of intelligence and complex reasoning to think through that privacy is an issue.
Based on previous experience, I'm not surprised you're back to ad hominem attacks rather than addressing the actual issue. Care to call me a "doosh" again? Because that was precious.
A Duck wrote:
Do you think you have the right to know what runner is HIV positive?
Again, you complete blithering imbecile, learn to read. I EXPLICITLY said that irrelevant and/or sensitive medications would OBVIOUSLY be exempt. Either you can't read or purposefully ignored that obvious point - either way, it's pathetic. Can you see the difference between Truvada and thyroxin? I think most would agree it's pretty obvious, and I don't think Rupp's competitors would care if he is on Truvada, so he could keep that to himself.
They would sure as heck care to know if he's on thyroxin, though. Hence the need for transparency for those who CHOOSE to operate in what Salazar calls the "grey area":
http://law.duke.edu/sportscenter/salazar.pdfExcellent post above. But isn't Rupp really taking triiodothyronine?
Melky wrote:
@rupp-certified saladbar
What's funny about your crusade is that most of you write about PEDs is actually wrong
Please give examples. I don't think that's true, but am ready to discuss any errors you think I've made.
Melky wrote:
and the only way you would know what your talking about is to actually have a lot of first hand experience with PEDs yourself.
You know, it's amazingly easy to read a lot. Interesting (if incorrect) insinuation, but no, I have no experience taking or prescribing drugs for performance enhancement.
Like many posters here (I hope), I take an interest in doping and clean sport. Discussing the topic on a message board is fun and takes a few minutes per day at most. Not much of a "crusade," I'm afraid!
Cheers.
rupp-certified saladbar wrote:
rupp-certified saladbar wrote:...what do you think the chances are that Salazar's group will EVER make their prescriptions and TUEs public?
Mr. Obvious wrote:
Despite repeated posting of the question we have had exactly zero evidence supplied that anybody in the group has a TUE for anything--much less that ALL of them take thyroid medicine.
One way to find out. Open the books. Think these athletes are willing to come clean about the "grey area" their own coach says they operate in, in the same of clean sport?
So in the absence of any and all evidence that anybody on Salazar's group is taking thyroid medication you just prefer to continue to slander them anonymously. OK, but I'm personally going to refrain.
Who's slandering? I'm simply asking if high-profile elite athletes would be willing to be transparent about any potentially performance-enhancing medications and TUEs they MAY have.
Obviously in the US, that includes Salazar's group. I'd be interested to know the same of any elites who are vocal about fighting for clean sport (which Salazar and Rupp are notably NOT, by the way).
They're already transparent: their TUEs are on record with the appropriate organizations. The fact that you, the fan, don't get to see all professionals' health records has no bearing on the actual sport. If abuse of thyroid medications and whatever else is an issue, then it should be addressed at the top of the sport - NOT by requiring the release of private medical records.
There are some former Salazar athletes who are really interesting to talk to about these issues with you are close with them, but who would never talk publicly.
Ho Hum wrote:
They're already transparent: their TUEs are on record with the appropriate organizations. The fact that you, the fan, don't get to see all professionals' health records has no bearing on the actual sport.
You call that "transparent"? Um...UCI much? Carl Lewis a little bit?
What a joke.
I think that Radcliffe would be willing to publicly disclose her TUEs and relevant medications. But she is outspoken against doping.
Rupp says nothing against doping, and Salazar talks about the "grey area" (http://law.duke.edu/sportscenter/salazar.pdf). I'm not sure if they'd be willing to disclose. Do you think they would?
She had anemia but not blood transfusions. Ask Michael Sandrock.
Goucher Needles wrote:
There was absolutely such article. I'm not accusing Goucher of anything illegal, but I do want to read the article again. It is from before the start of the Daily Camera's online archive.
Goucher used blood transfusions to get over a persistent case of anemia. Do you think that is in dispute?
I always questioned whether that was a violation of anybody's rules or if it falls under the therapeutic exemptions policies.
That's the connection to this conversation.
I'm wondering if this is a practice that Goucher is still using or if it ended after her college transfusions.
Junk Master wrote:
Excellent post above. But isn't Rupp really taking triiodothyronine?
From what i understand, triiodothyronine - is the fast acting th
Junk Master wrote:
Excellent post above. But isn't Rupp really taking triiodothyronine?
From what i understand, triiodothyronine (T3) - is the fast acting thyroid hormone and thyroxine is T4 which is converted to T3. Thyroxine or levoxyl is generally preferred because it is slower acting and keeps you at a more stable level. People can take both. there are a couple of studies say you need both but most say that thryoxine is sufficient. [/quote]
rupp-certified saladbar wrote:
You call that "transparent"? Um...UCI much? Carl Lewis a little bit?
What a joke.
I think that Radcliffe would be willing to publicly disclose her TUEs and relevant medications. But she is outspoken against doping.
Rupp says nothing against doping, and Salazar talks about the "grey area" (http://law.duke.edu/sportscenter/salazar.pdf). I'm not sure if they'd be willing to disclose. Do you think they would?
What does UCI have to do with your point? UCI was corrupt, so even if there was a rule like the one you're asking for, they wouldn't really enforce it.
And if you believe speaking out against doping means A THING, you're beyond naive.
This thread is interesting to me as I recently stumbled upon a running blog of a female runner that quickly went from a good recreational runner to sub elite after being treated for hypothyroidism. From her training detailed in her blog (run every run as fast as possible everyday) I wonder if she was suffering from over training rather than a thyroid issue but then again she did not publish the details of her diagnosis so I really don't know.
Her blog has made me wonder if a thyroid just slighted medicated to being a tad bit overactive could give an advantage in recovery and weight control.