Sagarin wrote:
If he really runs 7:23 and 12:42, I think he will run a faster 10,000.
LOL.
Just listen to yourself.
Here's another.
If Bolt runs a 5.12 50 and a 9.24 100, I think he will run a faster 200.
Sagarin wrote:
If he really runs 7:23 and 12:42, I think he will run a faster 10,000.
LOL.
Just listen to yourself.
Here's another.
If Bolt runs a 5.12 50 and a 9.24 100, I think he will run a faster 200.
I'm curious to see if anyone has any speculation on how Mo would have done in this race
If his recent 3 by mile workout was accurate then it seems like is not training toward the mile but more like a 5000 man and as was stated that probably wasnt even the full workout. He is likely training asa 5000 10000 man who isnt afraid to go fast.
Was this 1600 or full mile?
Centrowitz just went to Walmart to buy new underwear, after "soiling" the ones that he was wearing.
ASchmuck wrote:
Was this 1600 or full mile?
Full.
Mo is focusing on the longer stuff in preparation for the New Orleans half-marathon next month. He also recently said that Rupp is a couple months ahead of him in training and would probably win head-to-head. So I guess the answer to your question would be "not very well".
A Duck wrote:
lol, what a doosh.
What's your PB, hater.
Do you disagree with him? If so, why? Do you disagree that the mile is a rarely contested event, even more rare indoors, by the best 1500m runners in the world?
rupp-certified saladbar wrote:
Sagarin wrote:If he really runs 7:23 and 12:42, I think he will run a faster 10,000.
LOL.
Just listen to yourself.
Here's another.
If Bolt runs a 5.12 50 and a 9.24 100, I think he will run a faster 200.
Faster, as in, faster than where ventolin projected him, genius. Go back and look. LOL^2
Did that REALLY need clarification? Geez.
The 3:33.7 conversion would rank Rupp 10th. Incidentally, Lagat's 3:33.34 was run during his mile AR.
1 3:31.18 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR Stuttgart 02.02.1997
2 3:31.76 Haile Gebrselassie ETH Stuttgart 01.02.1998
3 3:32.11 Laban Rotich KEN Stuttgart 01.02.1998
4 3:33.08 Daniel Kipchirchir Komen KEN Karlsruhe 13.02.2005
5 3:33.10 Deresse Mekonnen ETH Birmingham 20.02.2010
6 3:33.17 Vénuste Niyongabo BDI Liévin 22.02.1998
7 3:33.23 Augustine Choge KEN Birmingham 19.02.2011
8 3:33.32 Andrés Manuel Díaz ESP Piræus 24.02.1999
9 3:33.34+ Bernard Lagat USA Fayetteville 11.02.2005
10. Galen Rupp 3:33.7 USA Boston 26.01.2013
The 3:33.7 conversion would rank Rupp 10th in the 1500. Incidentally, Lagat's 3:33.34 was run during his mile AR.
1 3:31.18 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR Stuttgart 02.02.1997
2 3:31.76 Haile Gebrselassie ETH Stuttgart 01.02.1998
3 3:32.11 Laban Rotich KEN Stuttgart 01.02.1998
4 3:33.08 Daniel Kipchirchir Komen KEN Karlsruhe 13.02.2005
5 3:33.10 Deresse Mekonnen ETH Birmingham 20.02.2010
6 3:33.17 Vénuste Niyongabo BDI Liévin 22.02.1998
7 3:33.23 Augustine Choge KEN Birmingham 19.02.2011
8 3:33.32 Andrés Manuel Díaz ESP Piræus 24.02.1999
9 3:33.34+ Bernard Lagat USA Fayetteville 11.02.2005
10. Galen Rupp 3:33.7 USA Boston 26.01.2013
webb ran the fastest american mile outdoors in april, 3:51. rupp's run faster indoors in january, but there are naysayers??? he should go well under 7:30, maybe 7:27, and mid to low 12:40s/26:27 this year, plus maybe a 3:47-8 mile if he goes after it.
rupp now has laid down some of our (vertonin, salazar, cannova, lj, other people that know the sport) best case time scenarios - made several years ago. when he was a 1308 barely sub 4 guy.
the predictions came from times in workouts and splits before he fell, 2 mile races, ways he won them.... and comparing those results to the times other guys ran in the past.
a similar guy that comes to mind is moorcroft.
now moorcroft is much more the proven miler, however rupp came up thru distance running rather than middle distance.
salazar put in the speed work component and you started to see a similar athlete. moorcroft could not take the volume that limited him for longevity at 5k and 10k was definitely out of the equation.
once rupp hit 149 800m indoors and salazar started reporting about 11.0 100m with running starts, and the ncaa blow away finishes, and the sub 13 pace 5k races he fell in. it all amouted to moorcroft like ability.
you recall moorcroft ran 349 mile, 732 3k and 13 flat 5k.
the 5k equates really to a hoover race of 12:50 or even a bit less.
now galen has the top end speed of moorcroft and the silver medal 10k ability.
that combines for a 12:45 5k - given the right race - given 12 weeks of good work - and good health.
no doubt about it.
good work al-sal and rupp. beautiful.
but i put a ceiling at 12:40 low now - i don't belive anyone has beaten this mark without a BIG EPO program.
t94bell wrote:
ASchmuck wrote:Was this 1600 or full mile?
Full.
If you have to ask this question, you need to educate yourself a little first.
Sagarin wrote:
ventolin^3 wrote:there is another possibility
his speed may not have improved from last year, but his endurance may have come on a lot
that woud tend to yield lines of fit ( to include a 3'48 outdoors ) more along lines of
51.8 / 1'48.5 ->
3'31.8
3'48.3
7'22.0 !!!
12'39.1 !!!
26'19.5 !!!
we'd get a better idea if he or the camp tell us which if his endurance or speed has improved ( or both ) since last year
my feeling is that it may be bit of both so i'm thinking this looks a goldilocks scenario of not too hot or too cold
51.5 / 1'48.2 ->
3'31.8
3'48.3
7'23.0 !!
12'42.2 !!
26'29.4 !!
i'll go with those for now
Thanks Ventolin. If he really runs 7:23 and 12:42, I think he will run a faster 10,000.
it doesn't quite work like that
i reckon rupp has similar ability at 10k now to guys like dinkessa/koech/hissou but much better speed ( he is similar to kembo who canova, his coach, said had great speed ) but still inferior endurance ( still not same mileage as mo yet )
that's why he coud expect 7'23 & 12'42 off a ~ 26'30 but not the near 26'20s
guy like dinkessa woud possibly have had a line that day of 26'30 of ~
53.0 / 1'50.5 ->
3'34.9
3'51.5
7'26.6
12'45.0
26'26.3
rupp has far better basic 400 speed which jack up those 1500/3k/5k
from canova
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=4203011&page=2May be you don't agree, but facts are against your idea.
I want to give you some data (not opinions) about all my athletes able running under 27' :
Nicholas Kemboi (26'30"03) able to finish last 600m in Bruxelles 2003 in 1'23", almost beating Haile (26'29"87), could run in about 51"5
Ahmed Hassan (26'38" in the same race) NEVER could run faster than 53"5 / 54"
Imane Merga (26'48" this year) able to finish in 53"5 in 5000m last year, can run 400m near 51", not faster
Moses Mosop (26'49") finished last lap in WCh 2005 (bronze medal) faster than Kenenisa and Sileshi (53"4 for him, but was only 5th at the bell). He NEVER can run near 52"
John Korir (26'52") had a speed not better than 54"
Mark Bett (26'52") could run about 51"
Wilson Kiprop (last year winning Kenyan Champs in altitude in 27'26" and the African Champs in 27'32" woth last lap in 55"6, that could easy run under 27' at sea level) became the WCh of HM and NEVER could run under 53"
Now, after Cova, I can tell you that nor Antibo (European Champion of 5000 / 10000 in 1990, and silver medal in 10000 in OG 1988), very fast in the last lap, neither Panetta (27'24" and WCh of 3000 steeple in 1987) could run UNDER 52" (and Antibo was one of the fastest sprinters in the last lap)
that's why talk of rupp having 50s speed is nonsense
he's "evolved" into an african like those above but still does have tad better 400 speed than most, but not by too much, but enough to look at 7'23/12'42
these guys have incredibly little speed decay over the entire spectrum. Is it genetics???
I'm pretty sure rupp has ended workouts with 50 second 400s.
Running on Empathy wrote:
Coghlan was a head case who had it stuck in his brain that he was the king of indoors. His outdoor racing strategies left much to be desired.
I didn't want to leave this post out there without commenting that Coghlan won a World Championship Gold medal - outdoors.
Why do people always have the urge to take someone down a peg?
And there can be nothing negative said about what Rupp just did.
3:50 is good any time, any place.
Indoors, outdoors
January, July
Even downhill it's pretty good.
This is faster than Jim Ryun ever ran.
Now we need to see our actual milers run that fast.
ventolin^3 wrote:
that's why talk of rupp having 50s speed is nonsense
he's "evolved" into an african like those above but still does have tad better 400 speed than most, but not by too much, but enough to look at 7'23/12'42
This ^