Quincey - Greatest 400 ever

ventolin^3 wrote:

only a moron woud stick his head ( or for you it woud be his ass ) in the sand with that attitude

who isn't interested in what a guy couda run under perfect circumstances ???

tell me here who woudn't want to know what komen couda run for 5k if he'd run that instead of the relatively meaningless distance of 3k in rieti on that day ?

Everyone would WANT to know but nobody DOES know. Get it? Your "clear unambiguous tools" are neither clear not unambiguous.

there are tools :

.. blah blah blah...

there is a significant non-0 possibilty he couda run in the 12'35s that day & still be 5k wr holder today

And there is a much larger possibility that the real world trumps your your bogus "what-if"

who woudn't be interested in that ???

A person who knows that is all complete fucking bullshit. It's mental masturbation for imbeciles. (No wonder you embrace it). If we take all your assumptions along with your dubious "tools" and add in a heap of "there is a significant possibility of" we get the answer you decided to come up with in the first place.

He didn't do it because he COULDN'T do it. God knows how many times he tried and he never even came close. Not once. Not even in your "greatest 400 ever". Oh but he" didn't look tired". That's what apologists always say about the guy who doesn't get it done. He "coulda". Yet he never came close.

Meanwhile Michael Johnson got it done several times. At 200 and 400. He didn't need some idiot's hypothetical scenario and an internet calculator. He just went out and ran the fucking times. And that's why those are the greatest performances. Because they ACTUALLY HAPPENED. In the real world, not in your track-and-field porn fantasy.

moron

this just shows how much of an idiot you are

we can get very good idea of what he couda potentially run for 5k that day using tools out there, & using the likely smaller %age of doubt we have to claim nobody knows is imbecilic

you are an idiot if you think just because you don't have a clue what he may have run that everybody else is in that position

commonsense about his possible 1500 ability at the time & 10s inputting figures into a web calculator gives a very good idea

if all you are interested in is reciting times from the all-time lists & not analysing or extrapolating those you clearly are a waste of time to me

you are a moron

i've used those tools with over a few hundred elite athletes & never found them to be wrong when looking at background of performances

clearly you are an idiot who has never tried them & talking out of your ignorant ass

moron

he won final in 43.50 when wr was 43.29

if that's not "close" you are a moron who knows nothing about the sport

moron

it took mj 8y of trying as an elite 200 runner to break the 200wr & probably only because he got an illegal track to do it on

it took him nearly 10y of 400m running to break the 400wr

his is more a testimony to perserverance than anything else

watts ran his best times in little more than 1y as an elite 400 guy

in terms of intrinsic talent for the event, there is no contest - it took mj 6y of elite 400m running to beat watt's times set in little over 1y of such

and in the end

MJ is a better 200/400 runner than Watts

Go figure.

What are you trying to do? QW > MJ > JW > BR.

Wow! You can get a very good idea of what you THINK he could have run! That's so scientific. You could split the atom with that kind of thinking!

I do have a clue what he "may have run". It's what he actually ran.

"Commonsense" (you mean... among wackos like you? I'd be careful how "common" you assume that is) about his POSSIBLE ability! Wow! If that's not clear and unambiguous, I don't know what is!

You know last week when I saw that local kid finish the 5k in 15:30 he looked sooooo relaxed and easy. All I have to do is take that "ease" factor, add in my own drug-induced assumptions and plug them into the calculator at bullshit.com and he's a world record holder! Scaling that down to the 400 he clearly would have run 41.93. Hey you're right, this is fun!

Wow. So they've always told you what you think those athletes might have done? That's.... um.... completely meaningless.

clearly you are an idiot who has never tried them & talking out of your ignorant ass

Oh come now. But did it look "easy"? Because we all know how it looked is one of the key factors to plug into your calculator to make up the time you want him to have run.

Ah meanwhile, Watts just showed up one day and ran for a medal. Never tried at all before that. But hey, make up more shit about illegal tracks. That's completely tangible. He probably had better drugs too. Yeah, that's the ticket!

And never ran any faster. A mere 2 years later he couldn't even break 45. Then he was done. He wasn't even ABLE to persevere.

Johson got it done. Watts did not. Class dismissed

ventolin^3 wrote:you make up a nonsensical hypothetical & then expect someone to take you seriously

Hmmmm....

ventolin^3 wrote:

we can get very good idea of what he couda potentially run

...so in other words "hypotetically"?

Only in this nitwit's world can a poster posting an documented performance not have a clue what a runner could run while a series of might haves, may be's, potentially's, any hypothetical's be considered on the mark.

What an idiot this guy is.

moron

this is internet age with complex calculators to model virtually anything for anyone to use

if you are too stoopid to use them...

idiot

wang never ran a 5k in '93

so her actually 5k ability was NOTHING in '93, because you moron, go on observation she never ran one

what does your peabrain say for wang's 5k in '93 ???

moron

he had a 3'34pb that year when running 7'20

he ran 3'29 next year

commonsense indicates he musta been worth better than 3'34 in rieti, as it is inconceivable to run 7'20 off 3'34

so experience indicates somewhere close to 3'30 was likely, but probably not quicker as <3'30 in those days wouda frightened morceli on the circuit & comparable to hicham at the time

can you not even do some basic thinking ???

this reveals you are a total moron with no grasp of elite sport

idiot

canova says kemboi was in 12'45 shape - same as calculator indicates

paula, calculator says shouda been capable of 4'01 ( actual 4'05pb ) when she ran 8'22 & 30'01 & hey presto, in her book she says she did a 4'01tt around then in training

if you think likes of canova & paula are liars, you are an imbecile

moron

"ease" is subjective judgement based on decades of watching elites

concept clearly to difficult for you

you haven't a clue

dapena, the t&f news biomechanist was invited to see the atlanta track prior to games by the track layer ( an ole pupil of his ) & diplomatically described it as "at limit of legality" & that's prior to months of bedding down/baking in atlanta sun

drug talk invalidates you as an idiot

& watts walked away with gold

does he care he was a shooting star with gold around his neck ???

he probably put in more intense 400 training in late '91/early '92 than any 400 guy ever has

it cost him longevity but he got a gold

Ess Gee Ess wrote:Only in this nitwit's world can a poster posting an documented performance not have a clue what a runner could run while a series of might haves, may be's, potentially's, any hypothetical's be considered on the mark.

What an idiot this guy is.

moron

please tell us what wang couda run for 5k in '93

wr was 14'37 back then, it's 14'11 now

1.3 billion chinese woud be interested to know

gonna disappoint them by sticking your head ( more like ass ) into the sand & blubbing "meaningless question" ?

ventolin^3 wrote:

Ess Gee Ess wrote:Only in this nitwit's world can a poster posting an documented performance not have a clue what a runner could run while a series of might haves, may be's, potentially's, any hypothetical's be considered on the mark.

What an idiot this guy is.

moron

please tell us what wang couda run for 5k in '93

wr was 14'37 back then, it's 14'11 now

1.3 billion chinese woud be interested to know

gonna disappoint them by sticking your head ( more like ass ) into the sand & blubbing "meaningless question" ?

Who gives a shit? We know what she ran.

Ess Gee Ess wrote:Who gives a shit? We know what she ran.

moron

this shows us you know nothing

SHE DIDN'T RUN A 5K IN '93

that's why the question is so important historically

Imbecile

I am smart enough to know they dont mean dick. The world is full of guys who coulda done something but never did. No calculator changes that.

Hold it. Let me see if I have this straight: You throw out crap about the track in Atlanta being "illegal" and then turn right around and refer to times from the 93 Chinese games? Seriously? Are you fucking deluded? Or you are the one person left on EARTH who thinks those times are legit?

OK, lets set aside the obviousness of drug cheats in China in 93. For sake of your addled little brain, Ill pretend they actually are legit. Glad Im typing this because it would difficult to say with a straight face.

I dont have to guess about Wangs 5k in 93. I KNOW. You know how? Because she actually ran her fastest ever 5k in 93. Thats right. It was the second half of her 10k world record. She did 14:26 or that 5k (I might be off by a second or two -- I didnt look it up). Thats 25 seconds faster than her fastest OPEN 5k under international drug testing (but again lets pretend its actually legit). So thats what she COULD have run.

MIGHT she have run faster had she run only a 5k? Possibly? But -- and this is key now so please dont miss the point: SHE DID NOT. Did you see that? I will repeat it for you: "She did not". She "only" ran that 14:26. So thats her best. And no internet calculator will ever change that, no matter how easy you think it looked.

Im fairly confident I have more years of watching elites than you have. I actually watched Quincy Watts race when the network broadcast the Olympics. I also watched 1984 and 1996. I got what coverage I could of 1980 as all of us outside the Iron Curtain did. I watched Lasse Fucking Viren in PERSON at Montreal in 76. He made it look easy too, just floating away from people. Thats what elites can do.

You right I dont have a clue what "biomechanist" would possibly know about this. Does he also have some sort of materials science degree? Did he test the track? Is the sun baking it illegal? Should we have shaded it?

No... wait... skip all that. I dont want to confuse you so I will just ask you this: What EXACTLY was "illegal" about the track? Please tell us. Be specific now. What EXACTLY was it. Was it short? Was there some specific disallowed material? Because the entire rest of the track and field world seems to accept it and everything. But what do they know compared to you and dapena?

Illegal track talk does the same for you.

So did Johnson. Many golds actually. A lot more than Quincy Watts. And, more relevantly, WORLD RECORDS. You know. Those things that Watts "coulda" done but never did.

You were there, were you? Monitoring his training? Please describe it to us. How do you know how intense it was. And clearly you must have monitored Johnsons training too and Butch Reynolds. Right?

Because if not, youd basically be talking out of your ass.

Tinker = Ventolin^3

Watts was a doper, MJ was a bigger doper, and "Ventolin" is bat-shit crazy. Perhaps we can toss them all into a live volcano somewhere and be rid of their filth.

Kersey the Chemist had his athletes so doped up it was scary. The athletes became so scared that most of them never performed anywhere near the levels they did at the games again or they outright quit soon after.

ventolin^3 wrote:

Ess Gee Ess wrote:Who gives a shit? We know what she ran.

moron

this shows us you know nothing

SHE DIDNT RUN A 5K IN 93

thats why the question is so important historically

Nice job of completely misunderstanding the response.

You remain a nitwit.

Ess Gee Ess wrote:

Nice job of completely misunderstanding the response.

You remain a nitwit.

no

it shows you are a moron with no clue about what you are talking about

Ventolin3 vous êtes un crétin

Johnson a dirigé les plus grands 400m!

http://www.legion-recrute.com/en/

Apparently saying

We know what she ran

means that she ran the 5k

instead of what the sentence really means.

We know what distance she ran when competing in 93.

Moron is not a insult if all you do is put it at the beginning of all your posts.