SIMON VROEMEN POSITIVE TEST

Two failed drug tests = clear cut drug cheat

Take away the ER

The person I was referring to has not failed a drugs test.

A + B = 2

or are you talking about another set of tests?

Read the thread...The post was a reply which related to a euopean athlete he thought would soon be caught in addition to Vroemen ... The swatch reference indicated it could only be Viktor Rothlin the swiss marathon guy.....

Really? please clue us in. I recall he said himself "tainted toothpaste" and I have to agree- quite an extraordinary act of breaking into one's home and injecting an illegal substance into their toothpaste - not likely or believable!

Waahhh wrote:

Methuselah wrote:

The Chinese swimmer who just (weeks ago) tested positive for clenbuterol had the same line. :)

Tainted meat is today's "spiked toothpaste."

Don't speak about cases you don't know anything about. You obviously have now clue about the Baumann case so PLEASE don't comment on it. It is rather annoying.

Vroemen = drug cheat

Baumann = victim of criminal act

Doesn't Baumann claim that Stephane Franke sabotaged his toothpaste? Franke had been a friend in the past but was now doping and doping his athletes, Kallabis etc... at least that is the story I have heard on here.

bump.

There was never a second positive test, in 2004 there was only a warning as the paperwork for pulminory restriction medication was requested too late. This is the 1st positive test, and taking the ER away after a clean career of 15 years would be unfair in my humble view. Did Baumann lose his records and Olympic medal?

Quote of Dirtbag: "Sounds like his plan was to retire to avoid out of competition drug testing for his Olympic buildup and he probably assumed that stuff would be out of his system by the time he would be tested."

Simon did not avoid out of competition tests, on the contrary, he was still registered at IAAF because then he was allowed to be pacemaker for Shaheen!!!!!!!!!

Don't throw with dirt when you do not know the facts!

He did - untill May 26 2008 - not have any intention to make a come back, because his programme during autumn and winter was completely different from his normal programme:

He was just having fun in road racing, like marathon and half marathon. In springtime he was training with two athletes and found out he was better than one who was aiming for Beijing.....

The dose of metandienone found in his blood was so small that - according to a German expert - this can only be caused of contaminated supplements. And that is probably the clue: Because Simon was retired, he bought his supplements in a normal drugstore instead via the save way.

Simon is a victim, not a drug cheat.

Quote: "He was working with Helmut Stechemesser, who not only was doping teenagers in east germany back in the days but also coaching several athletes who have been caught lately(Ceplak for example)."

Simon Vroemen has only been working with Stechemesser during 6 months in 2004: this was one of his worst seasons in those years. Until then, Stechemessser has never been related to drugs. In the DDR he was working with children up to 12 years. Does anyone really think that he was giving drugs to children that young? Ceplak was caught (epo), but at that moment she was already training with another coach.

If Vroemen is a drug cheat, he would have had his system checked before running a race where he could expect to be tested. And he requested for the test!

Don't be suspicious about his career: this guy has the best steeple technique in the world and improved from around 8.18 to 8.05 in 6 years time, mostly because of his better technique. He did not improve times over 1500m, 10k or others, as one would expect of a drugs user.

Please don't judge on rumours, but check them and judge on facts.

Klaas Lok

I can confirm what Tjeerd has just told!!

See America, this is the way you are supposed to get your point across on a forum. Not by calling someone a moron, a deutshbag, gay, or something racist because you think its funny and you can get away with it. I'm an American by the way.

Klass Lok, any relation to Tone Lok?

Quote: "Which is why any athlete with half a brain wouldn't take these supplements. Vroemen is well-versed in the nature of supplement contamination. This is an excuse that won't fly as a defense - either with WADA or the running community"

Vroemen bought his supplements in an ordinary drugstore.

Why? Because he was retired and got care less. Indeed, that was stupid. But on the other hand: at that point, he had no intention to run at top level.....

Something else: you know why Simon runs so well in steeple chase? Every hurdle he gains 2 meters compared to other runners. 35x2=70 meters. This gives him an advantage of 12 seconds.

Recently, there was a german documentary on TV about the systematic state-sponsored doping program in former east Gemany (DDR). Doping was administered to teenagers (for example to girls to control their period once they reach puberty) and younger (one girl was given pills at age - guess - yes, 12). The systematic doping administered by and developed by their chemist turns out to be most cynical in modern sports. The long term side effects are enormous.

One women even went through a gender operation.

So German doctors have been giving dope to children at age 12.

The fact is that the A and B samples are positive. Many

people try to find alternative explanations. Based on the current information, it is difficult to believe in these theories. If we are going to do so, you guys need to find

supplements which are contaminated with the banned substances that can be traced in samples after consumption.

I am not saying it couldn't happen, but _you_ have to prove

that this is like scenario. Otherwise it is pure unfounded speculation.

Groetjes,

de noor

Quote: "But he has failed drug tests TWICE"

Bob, come on: He pissed one time. He did not fail two doping tests.

Fact is, that metandienone was found in his system, but this does not prove he is a drug cheat and for sure this does not prove he used drugs during all the years before.

hmmmmm, sounds to be true.

But there is still the fact that Vroemen only worked 6 months with Stechemesser (in 2004) and that was far from his best season.

Not real strong logical inference. A single case of the German doctors (plural) giving drugs (not necessarily PEDs) to an athlete that was 12 suddenly is turned into a general case that there was systematic PEDs use by children, the oldest of which was 12. You Have to do better than this. Maybe you can re-write the material to make it more compelling but this is so weak as to be just short of embarrassing.

Clown. There was a systematic doping program in DDR.

Many athletes have come forward and also a few doctors.

Are you in denial?

I know it’s getting a little off-topic, but there is no real doubt in Germany as to whether young athletes in the GDR were systematically (usually without knowing) doped. Some victims successfully went to court to claim kind of a compensation for the damage the drugs caused to their bodies. There is an ongoing debate about a possible deletion of German records achieved by athletes associated with the GDR system, too. Just a few years ago, there was another incident when a former GDR coach was accused and sentenced for offering a relatively young athlete drugs. However, I don’t want to generalize too much from these incidents because I don’t know the “real facts”.

Back to Simon, I have really admired his performances. And as a steepler I noticed his close to perfect form over the barriers. I am from Germany, and young athletes don’t have that many European idols in the mid/long distance area. Thus, I hope he has not been a cheat. But it won’t be easy to find a (publicly credible) explanation for the drugs in his body.