girlfriend starting doing cocaine ADVICE

chrunnerchick wrote:

I'm not going to argue with this senseless rant except for this which you are very wrong about

I live as I should, I don't have an opinion about how all people should live

i don't do drugs, i don't make assumptions that everything you listed isn't done by some people who use drugs

you need to get off your soap box

just because something is a law doesn't make it right - slavery was a law, killing jews was a law

i'm not saying doing drugs should be legal but i try to hold myself to a higher standard than the law does

Flagpole Willy wrote:

I live as all people SHOULD, and YOU feel that way about your life or you wouldn't be living it as you do.

1) Not murdering people is also a law. Do we just ignore that one too?

2) Yes you do have an opinion about how others should live. You just criticized me for my opinion (which is evidence about how I live). Also, if people moved in next to you and started dealing drugs so that people were in an out of there at all times of the day and night, you're telling be you wouldn't have an opinion about how they were living? BS.

3) Holding oneself to a higher standard than the law does is fine. Using illegal drugs is NOT doing that though, so your point is silly.

4) Laws are in place to prevent chaos. If you don't agree with a law, then go about changing it. You don't get to decide to just break the law, and people who use cocaine aren't taking any moral stance. They just want to get high. Your debating skills are not very good (I wanted to say they suck, but that's not language I use often, and I don't need to make THAT big of a point here...you're shooting yourself in the foot with poor debating skills, so there's no need).

5) Anyone who tells someone else that they are on a soap box because they say cocaine use is wrong has some major issues. Who the hell disagrees with cocaine use being wrong? Idiots and cocaine users. You're one of those. Decide which.

tsk tsk. silly me.

Yeah....thos EVIL women sure do put a lot over on us unwilling men. Again....skippy.....I'll go with my 30 years of being together with this woman over some self righteous internet nitwit such as yourself but thanks anyway.

You know what? I know you find this hard to fathom but a little devil in your little angel can be very good.

Hope you get the opportunity some time.

introduce her to meth

Flagpole Willy wrote:

5) Anyone who tells someone else that they are on a soap box because they say cocaine use is wrong has some major issues. Who the hell disagrees with cocaine use being wrong? Idiots and cocaine users. You're one of those. Decide which.

The ones with major issues are those who purvey their own moralistic bs on others.

That's what runnerchick is trying to get through your self righteous skull.

mm wrote:

introduce her to meth

LOL!

Yeah. I'll work on that.

This thread has become interesting...

I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle of the posts in the last 12 hours.

Flagpole, you sound like an ass, but I think that what you are saying is true...

While there are many people who try cocaine, it is crazy to say that most people experiment with it.

I have noticed that people who use coke are extremely self -important people, so it doesn't surprise me that they believe that "everyone" tries it.

That being said Flagpole, you are pretty self-important yourself, so I am surprised you havn't tried it yet.

Richard Perry wrote:

Flagpole Willy wrote:

5) Anyone who tells someone else that they are on a soap box because they say cocaine use is wrong has some major issues. Who the hell disagrees with cocaine use being wrong? Idiots and cocaine users. You're one of those. Decide which.

The ones with major issues are those who purvey their own moralistic bs on others.

That's what runnerchick is trying to get through your self righteous skull.

You feel that way because you're an enabler; a codependent. A person CAN'T be self righteous by saying that using cocaine is wrong, because using it is indefensible. It's the same as if I took a stand against dog fighting or child pornography. Can't call it self righteous. If a Miss America contestant stood up and said "I'm against people using cocaine", everyone would say (sarcastically), "man, step out on a limb a little." It's because it is so ridiculous. Maybe you don't have people telling you this, but I will. Your wife using cocaine is wrong. You allowing her to continue it without attempting to stop her is wrong. Not to mention you probably kissed her after she snorted some, so you've more than likely ingested something that was once in some guy's colon. NICE.

Aborted wrote:

This thread has become interesting...

I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle of the posts in the last 12 hours.

Flagpole, you sound like an ass, but I think that what you are saying is true...

While there are many people who try cocaine, it is crazy to say that most people experiment with it.

I have noticed that people who use coke are extremely self -important people, so it doesn't surprise me that they believe that "everyone" tries it.

That being said Flagpole, you are pretty self-important yourself, so I am surprised you havn't tried it yet.

1) You say I sound like an ass and yet you say what I'm saying is true. Hmm. How about this...I'm not an ass; I just need to talk like one so that people who are supporting asinine things get the picture. That's the way it is brother. Straight talk is needed for some people. Drug users and enablers are EXACTLY those people.

2) You are 100% correct that it is crazy to say most people have tried it. That's what people who HAVE tried it say to try to justify it. It's NOT true. The VAST majority of people have never tried cocaine.

3) You say that self-important people try cocaine and then you call me self-important, yet I haven't tried cocaine and would NEVER. So, either you're wrong about cocaine users being self-important or you're wrong that I am. I'd go with the latter. I just know what is wrong and what is right.

I'd stick with the most true thing you said -- "I think that what you are saying is true."

Word.

Flagpole Willy wrote:

2) You are 100% correct that it is crazy to say most people have tried it. That's what people who HAVE tried it say to try to justify it. It's NOT true. The VAST majority of people have never tried cocaine.

Based on WHAT? Based on Flagpole Willy's thinkin'? What percentage would you consider alot?

You're not going to get a straight answer out of people, especially if they think you're going to lecture them, which you apparently would.

It's not as popular as marijuana, but there's a lot of people who try it once or twice and never do it again.

I've done it a handful of times, and I've seen many others who've done it several times, but have no interest in pursuing the drug. I've seen many people who have had problems with it too, those are the people you usually hear about with cocaine.

I would be an enabler or codependent if there were some negative issue surrounding a person's very occasional use of this particular substance. Is the husband of a woman who has a glass of wine with dinner an enabler or codependent?

Why is it indefensible?

Even the mere suggestion that very recreational use of cocaine and child pornography should enter in the same paragraph exposes you for what you've proven to be over the years...an idiot.

Had you stated just that without the rest of the grandstanding you would be correct...but you didn't.

I'll keep that in mind.

Sizzlechest wrote:

Listen there Charlie. Freud loved the stuff. Let it go already.

What Freud (and, fictionally, Sherlock Holmes) took was pure cocaine, equivalent of 'medical grade'. There is a world of difference between this and the street stuff you buy from Hector.

- It's not cut with gawd-knows-what

- It doesn't jangle your nerves

- It doesn't give you a hangover or a depressing comedown

- It's not illegal, or at least does not have blood on its hands (is that a pathetic fallacy?)--to answer Flagpole Willy's point

It can also be powerfully habit-forming and possibly addictive, though not in the same way as opiates. But this is not sufficient reason to make it illegal or for Flagpole and company to get hysterical about a good honest drug. You want to talk about blood on the hands, let's look at the DEA. They're the ones who make the market. Back when it was legal and Coca-Cola had The Real Thing right there in every bottle, you didn't have drug cartels, drive-by shootings, crack ho's, or rectal smugglings.

Do you ever watch an episode of Jerry Springer and wonder if people like that really exist of if it's all staged? This thread answers that question without a doubt. They may see themselves as completely normal but to the outside World it's a freakshow. Take a look in the mirror you colon bit sniffing freaks.

Jasper Lamar Crabbe wrote: But this is not sufficient reason to make it illegal or for Flagpole and company to get hysterical about a good honest drug. You want to talk about blood on the hands, let's look at the DEA. They're the ones who make the market. Back when it was legal and Coca-Cola had The Real Thing right there in every bottle, you didn't have drug cartels, drive-by shootings, crack ho's, or rectal smugglings.

Word.

Well, here's an article mentioning studies from the 1980s when cocaine use was highest:

http://www.psychedelic-library.org/drug_politics.htm

Mentions 22 million Americans. In the 1980s we were about 270 million at that time, so that's about 8% (granted this counts kids, so it's low). It mentions 17% of high school seniors, and likely that was a little higher for college students, but again, we're talking college students AT COCAINE'S HIGHEST USE period, so what, MAYBE 20% of college students from the 80s? That means a whole host of older adults then who didn't, so the overall average was much less, probably somewhere between the 8% and 17%. That's the vast majority who never did. Just because you did doesn't mean most people did brother.

I would say that I agree with most of this.

Holy crap Richard Perry, you are the biggest enabler ever!1) Women aren't fined and sent to prison and have to pay court costs for drinking red wine with dinner! No comparison! YOU'RE AN ENABLER!!!2) Cocaine use isn't as bad as dog fighting or child pornography, but it is as clearly wrong as those other two things are wrong. Violence, prostitution, armed robbery, identity theft, break ins, MURDER...these things are ALL closely tied with cocaine use. YOU'RE AN ENABLER!!!3) I seriously hope you do keep it in mind. Her behavior is wrong and destructive, and your enabling of her is about 99% as bad. Enablers are weak. Are you afraid that she will reject you? Don't be weak.There's a first grade girl who moved into my son's class mid year. My wife volunteers there and this kid can barely read her own name, and she doesn't know how to do simple math like 1+2. What's the problem? Two weeks after she arrived, the police busted her parents for DEALING DRUGS!!! They deal it to people like your wife. They don't give this kid the time of day, and so she has no academic skills whatsoever; this is where future drug users and prostititues come from. YOU with your enabling and your wife with her drug use DIRECTLY SUPPORT this kind of sad sad existence. It's a shame. If we could adopt that little girl right now we would. Kids flourish in homes where the parents give a damn.

run like hell!

first time last week! two or three times since!

Get out!

i remember attending UCLA in the good 'ol days when GHB was legal and you'd take a few small swigs to aid in "recovery" *coughGETHIGHcough* after a bad hangover, workout, run, whatever.. sitting around in your underwear until piss slowly started to dribble down your legs and you were half passed out against a wall while Chat the gay marketing major was eyeballing your johnson like a pig on a spit waiting until you completely blacked out and waking up three hours later with your buttcheeks caked in load and and and...oh wait, nevermind.

c-ya wrote:

run like hell!

first time last week! two or three times since!

Get out!