Breaking: Conner Mantz withdraws from Boston Marathon

Nothing is infallible. Epecially when so much is out of sight. What are you talking about? The COC protocols in govt are beyond anything in track or other sports.

If it was anybody else, I’d be sure it was an April Fools joke. But I think the old dude is a true believer. Infallible? If only the chain of custody in athletics was infallible. We’d have a lot less of a PED problem.

Rodgers ran sub par marathons on occasion, namely the Montreal Olympics, and if the weather conditions in NY or Boston were warm he was usually a non-contender, even dropping out in some editions.

Beardsley blew out his achilles after running a marathon shortly after 'The duel in the sun' with Salazar, so he probably should have taken the advice of racing marathons more sparingly, would have had a longer career.

Shorter early in his career, when he had the most success, only ran the Fukuoka marathon during the year, with the exception being Olympic years with the Olympics and trials. Once he started racing marathons more frequently after 1976 he started to decline in performance.

Conner Mantz is a guy who needs confidence from being the best in workouts, that is a double edged sword in that it can work short term (as it did for him in the last couple of years), but ultimately it proves to be unsustainable and athletes like him start a negative spiral where their body cannot follow their mind.

Family is more important to Mormon athletes than others. This is a great way to live but is negative for top level distance runners.

This is actually a really good post. But I still think it comes down to recovery after marathons and the dude should take another down week or two when he’s feeling ready to go, because this isn’t the first time it’s happened to him and he even said so in his Strava introspection about too much too soon and under fueling.

But, let’s give credit where credit is due… the guy had one of the most outstanding years ever last year, American records in the marathon and half and some signature wins. Plus, he was in the hunt at last year’s Boston. They are clearly doing something right and runners of this caliber are always close to redlining to be the very best. It is a slippery slope.

I think Shorter has said that the foot injury(s) which ultimately plagued him after '76 had begun in '76.

There may be too much cause and effect being applied here in terms of how many marathons any one of these guys can/could run in a given year. Are there careers within the event which go beyond 4-6 at the highest level? There doesn't seem to be a lot of them. So maybe it's the cumulative efforts over a number of years which cause the problem.

I don't know who this user is who wrote the astroturf pigs thing against me. I was here expressing my opinion on Conner Mantz as this is a Conner Mantz thread. Then this user started insulting me and accusing me of defamation. I asked him to stop and even to apologize and he escalated his attacks against me

Thanks. Sounds like we're on the same page. You make a good point about Conner's motivations for trying to make Boston work. They're valid reasons. I feel for him. He did everything he could to try to make it to that starting line.

I also agree with your last point. People can be harsh on athletes. I often find myself defending athletes from what I believe is unfair or excessive criticism.

Hoping Conner doesn't get trapped in the injury cycle. He turns 30 this year, so he may be finding that he needs to put more emphasis into recovery than he did at 25. Looking forward to seeing him race again whenever he's healthy and ready to go.

and this even happened, too: after I asked this user to stop, my post was deleted, and i was banned for one day. The message to me was "Time out one day. Really settle down. No one is out to get you. Bless you."

Who wrote this message, the user? I never said anyone was out to get me I just requested to not insult me while I was trying to participate in the conversation

There's an income aspect to showing up to race as well. There's limited opportunity in the marathon world.

You guys want to know the real reason why all these BYU guys are getting injured? It's not Eyestone. It's the social media strength coach. He has been breaking them down for years as he tries to get tiktok famous.

Well, that’s certainly an angle I hadn’t considered…

Newsflash! Runners get injured. Jakob is injured and my understanding is it is because he did too many marathons in too short of time. Laros was injured last year. Again too many marathons. These guys never learn. Having said that, racing more than 3 or 4 marathons in a year is not wise for most people, unless you are like Stahl or Kurtis, more interested in running 2:15 than 2:05.

What? His videos are like 30 seconds, and most of that is just talking over slow motion videos of people running. He's not having them max deadlift or anything crazy

If I remember correctly from what Beardsley said on his podcast, he had ongoing Achilles issues going into NYC 1982 but ran it because a sponsor gave him a big appearance fee because they wanted a rematch with Salazar. Even though he finished, he ended up in a cast and never really recovered.

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1) There is something missing here. Why don't you explain how COC is not infallible? Walk me through the procedure from collection to testing, to reporting, to testing the B sample if needed, to adjudication, to penalty determination. Tell me exactly where in the process is an opportunity for ne'er-do-well manipulation.

2) how is COC any different in government from athletics?

3) how old are you? Not an insult, just a way to discern your experience and understanding with respect to how the testing protocol works?