When Tyson Gay and Yohan Blake had what I believe were similar injuries to Keely's, they never performed the same, after their return from injury. Keely doesn't seem to have lost a step.
“Interesting” that Phanuel Koech immediately got in the testing pool but Olympic finalist Max Burgin, 3:28/12:46 man George Mills and World Indoor Champ Josh Hoey are not.
I might be going out on a limb here, but I'll take a wild guess that it might be due to 400+ Kenyan doping busts, including men's 1500m Olympic and World Champions.
To be clear my position is they all should be on it. Be a little more dynamic with the lists.
The inferiority brits have on here is pretty incredible. Someone brings up something that is obviously a bit suspicious and all of a sudden it's just walls of text seething about "yanks". One of the most pathetic things I've seen in awhile.
The hypocrisy on here is unparralled. Look at what Hocker, Rooks et al did last year - massive, massive PB Improvements in Olympic finals out of NOWHERE.
You all turn the other cheek when it's an american, and accuse the rest of the world.
BUT, the OP who started this thread is British. This isn’t American sour grapes.
This has to got to be one of the stupidest threads ever.
A woman has been injured a lot and it's a sign of doping?
If you win Olympic gold and are dirty, you'd stay on your damn drugs and compete a lot and let the money flow. The fact that she's tried to compete a lot this summer but had to pull out to me indicates she's not doping. Look, anyone could be doping, but her season this year is far from suspicious.
Painter is a very good coach. And he's very open about talking about her. He said she was in 1:53 shape last year. That seemed wild. Then he tried to set up an indoor WR attempt. But she got injured. Then he asked for 1:54.50 in her season opener. He's been very transparent.
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One thing I guarantee she did is hop on a short flight across to Munich to visit Dr Müller-Wohlfahrt, who has been fixing hamstrings (mostly for the worlds best sprinters) in a jiffy for decades. Very famous in the sport.
I did smile at the thetimes article there talking about the WR. As good as Hodgkinson is (and in the event all is legit here), she is probably the WR holder already even at 1.54.61, there is no snowmans chance in hell she's running under 1.53.28. She's not "in sight" of it at all really - and that is sad and telling, but it's the truth. I think a more realistic lifetime goal for her is breaking 1.54.0 and just having her PR starting with the numbers 1,5 and 3.
You know I did forget about that doctor. I could accept this, and I don't think anything he does is technically banned? More grey area stuff as I understand it (otherwise athletes wouldn't be taking pictures with him and posting them)
HMW? No he was never banned but he does have that somewhat controversial "calf's blood" direct platelet injection (Actovegin) which has been used to magically cure many an athletes ailment - the one I always heard about was Linford Christie popping a hammy training Monday, flying to Munich to see Hans-Willy and being ready to race again on the weekend.
Again, Actovegin has been scrutinized by WADA for a long time now but was never placed on the banned substance list despite many people believing it should be. But apparently it works quite well and is still very popular with athletes that have the (quite considerable) means to afford getting it from Wolfy.
When Tyson Gay and Yohan Blake had what I believe were similar injuries to Keely's, they never performed the same, after their return from injury. Keely doesn't seem to have lost a step.
Something isn't right.
With all due respect these guys are/were doing events vastly different to Hodgkinson - events that put far more momentary stress on things like muscles, ligaments and tendons, than what she does. You're talking guys that from a standing start are accelerated 180-200lbs of mass to over 10 meters/second in the space of 50-60m.
Yes this was an outrageous performance, but a sprinter with a hamstring issue is not the same as a 120lb female 800m runner with a hamstring issue.
I agree I find it suspicious. Now they don’t go into details about the second hamstring injury, so to me it seems like May was possibly just an exacerbation of that first tear and not a separate grade 3 tear. As a PT I always find it insane when football or soccer players are back on the field like 3 months after an Achilles surgery, even with access to all the best care in the world and having healing be your full time job tendon healing still takes time. I think she raced smart and being good tactically helps take the race sharpness part out of the equation, but the ability to build up fitness that quick definitely makes me raise a brow.
PT, correct me if i'm wrong, but the grade 3 tears i've seen have grotesquely large amounts of unmistakable bruising, with serious limping or even crutches required. It would typically be 3-6 months recovery, longer if surgery required. So...yeah, no, Keely did not have a grade 3 tear in May before her first race, simple as that.
Besides, overstating injuries is a pretty common tactic for athletes, makes for great PR to overcome the injury and great for blowing the minds of competitors and LetsRun posters.
Growth hormone is probably attainable for the sake of injury repair with TUE, and I truly don't think things that help you repair from painful injuries should be banned.
she has probably also been using collagen supps, MSM and glucosamine, red light and heat, PEMF, multivitamins, methyl donor vitamins, and a whole host of things to help her sleep and recovery. She can't be faulted for that - injuries suck.
There's no way Keely is eligible for a TUE for growth hormone. As far as I'm aware the only indication for such a TUE is growth hormone deficiency.
This has to got to be one of the stupidest threads ever.
A woman has been injured a lot and it's a sign of doping?
If you win Olympic gold and are dirty, you'd stay on your damn drugs and compete a lot and let the money flow. The fact that she's tried to compete a lot this summer but had to pull out to me indicates she's not doping. Look, anyone could be doping, but her season this year is far from suspicious.
Painter is a very good coach. And he's very open about talking about her. He said she was in 1:53 shape last year. That seemed wild. Then he tried to set up an indoor WR attempt. But she got injured. Then he asked for 1:54.50 in her season opener. He's been very transparent.
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Maybe, maybe not. Was she out of competition tested? Some of the known worst dopers (Lance Armstrong comes to mind but also Ruth Chepengetich) race sparingly because they know they'll be tested at races. And if you're going to avoid racing to avoid doping, saying you're injured is a great cover story.
I basically think all world class athletes are micro dosing. I think widespread and more intense steroid usage (especially testosterone) is rampant among recreational runners and that shoes provide cover for that. It'll be a giant public health fiasco in about 10-15 years.