Look, I think Valby has potential. I don't think her making the Olympic team and placing 11th out of 24 participants in a rather slow 10,000 (slow for an international championship final) is anything to scream and yell about. She did not qualify for the Olympics in two events. She came in 4th in the 5,000 at trials and it wasn't close. She then "qualified" because ESP opted out. She showed up better in the 10,000 at trials, but I wouldn't call her performance earth shattering. I would have done what I normally do on these boards and just read along if someone hadn't made the comment that she's never had her doors blown off when she has, indeed, had her doors blown off. So far all I've seen from her is evidence of a huge cardio engine and no finishing speed. I also think it's okay to say "Valby did/is x, y, z ..." without it turning into a comparison of her to other athletes. Honestly, the people on these boards who act like she's God's gift to track and field make it really hard to root for her.
Parker Valby to Team Boss??
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spartanfan4life wrote:
Honestly, the people on these boards who act like she's God's gift to track and field make it really hard to root for her.
Why are your opinions so susceptible to manipulation by others? This is kind of sad, you Gen Zers are just built different huh
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I think Emma could be the perfect mentor for Valby. I can't imagine what she's going through right now, and I think this could be great fit.
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Yeah, he chased me around the track and begged me to join. I actually used to be a high fashion model, and I honestly put all of the runners in Boulder to shame.
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rbtrackfan wrote:
epodemiologist wrote:
Did NB Boston sign any recent grads this summer? Will be interested to see what happens with ESP looking like she's starting to get some fitness back.
I keep waiting on news of Paige or Appleton, both from up that way
Appleton is in a video posted by Coogan running with several NB athletes....but no word on signing as yet
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rbtrackfan wrote:
rbtrackfan wrote:
I keep waiting on news of Paige or Appleton, both from up that way
Appleton is in a video posted by Coogan running with several NB athletes....but no word on signing as yet
I see Paige still seems to be at UNC, running XC unattached. But I think she may have a season of Outdoor Track eligibility remaining.
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OP's first take is to minimize someone making the Olympic Team.
Minimizing others = the first move of the smallest people. Which is why the rest of the OP is not going to be read. No matter how logical OPs points might be, their established baseline was set as trash, so who cares?
When the pace was slow, Valby took the lead and made the race pace interesting. Something her sponsors likely appreciated. Why everyone was initially letting Chebet have an easy 10k was odd to me. At the end of the race, I compared each finalists prior PB and SB with their Olympic time. Valby was near the top of the field in that respect...and frankly. Something like 10 seconds slower and most others were 20+ slower. The other 2 americans placed higher, but I already forgot who they were.
Give the kid some credit. She made the race not something that a waste of everyone's time. Especially her own.
Nobody is perfect, bthat doesn't equate pointing out the imperfection of others as being an Expert. That's called cognitive dissonance.75 -
my mistake... My effort was so minimal, I did not realize I was not reading this Post from Page 1. spartanfan4life was at the top of the page link I had clicked.
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Minimal Effort wrote:
OP's first take is to minimize someone making the Olympic Team.
Minimizing others = the first move of the smallest people. Which is why the rest of the OP is not going to be read. No matter how logical OPs points might be, their established baseline was set as trash, so who cares?When the pace was slow, Valby took the lead and made the race pace interesting. Something her sponsors likely appreciated. Why everyone was initially letting Chebet have an easy 10k was odd to me. At the end of the race, I compared each finalists prior PB and SB with their Olympic time. Valby was near the top of the field in that respect...and frankly. Something like 10 seconds slower and most others were 20+ slower. The other 2 americans placed higher, but I already forgot who they were.
Give the kid some credit. She made the race not something that a waste of everyone's time. Especially her own.
Nobody is perfect, bthat doesn't equate pointing out the imperfection of others as being an Expert. That's called cognitive dissonance.
Are you referring to the Olympic 10000m? She was on Chebet’s shoulder for about 100m and it had no impact on the race.
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She took the lead. Chebet made her move in that lap or the next.
5 laps to go, maybe less. I'm not sure.
But she did force the pace and took the lead. So, my memory is better that yours. I do know that much.20 -
Minimal Effort wrote:
She took the lead. Chebet made her move in that lap or the next.
5 laps to go, maybe less. I'm not sure.But she did force the pace and took the lead. So, my memory is better that yours. I do know that much.
Based on this article, Valby was on Chebet’s shoulder for about 40 seconds and never took the lead:
The kicks hadn’t started yet and the East-Africans ignored her as she was no threat to them.
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Your link reads "Parker Valby took the lead at one point late in the race before ending up 11th."
I recall that, yes. Thanks for doing my research for me.And also yes, everyone (but Valby) was waiting on Chebet. She passed Valby, who struggled to hang with her, as the race pace geared up to the finish. Which is to be expected, as moving from 1st (albeit breifly) to 11th (including 2 Americans) would indicate being passed.
Yours truly and always,
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Minimal Effort wrote:
Your link reads "Parker Valby took the lead at one point late in the race before ending up 11th."
I recall that, yes. Thanks for doing my research for me.And also yes, everyone (but Valby) was waiting on Chebet. She passed Valby, who struggled to hang with her, as the race pace geared up to the finish. Which is to be expected, as moving from 1st (albeit breifly) to 11th (including 2 Americans) would indicate being passed.
Yours truly and always,
Minimal Effort.That’s clever but the article said she only ran on her shoulder and that’s what I remember. Even if she did take the lead, it would have been ridiculous for a 30:50 runner to do so against a 28:54 one. If Valby had cared to run a couple of 73s, Chebet would have ignored her and let her open up a 20-30m lead.
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Copy Paste where it says she "Only Ran on her Shoulder".
"Valby moved to the front to try to get some space, and she remained off the shoulder of the leader for about 40 seconds before the pack swallowed her up again."
It's as if the sentence structure indicated that Remaining off the Shoulder was after Move to the Front.
Also from article you researched for me....
"She ran a negative split (15:50 for the first 5K, 15:09 for the second). And she was only 9 seconds off her PR." Perhaps it was not even Chebet at that point of the race, she might have sit and kicked late like Hassan. The pace was stupid slow in a way that favored both of them, and the other experienced US athletes never did a thing.
Regardless. Minimizing a first time Olympian's efforts is weak and sad. Which was the point I stressed earlier. She did her best to compete that day.71 -
Based on her last several posts, it seems like she’s training alone in Florida. Life Cycle bought her a home gym. Arc Trainer, treadmill, Stationary bike, free weights….the works. At any rate, I don’t think she’s returning to Boston.
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Minimal Effort wrote:
Copy Paste where it says she "Only Ran on her Shoulder".
"Valby moved to the front to try to get some space, and she remained off the shoulder of the leader for about 40 seconds before the pack swallowed her up again."
It's as if the sentence structure indicated that Remaining off the Shoulder was after Move to the Front.
Also from article you researched for me....
"She ran a negative split (15:50 for the first 5K, 15:09 for the second). And she was only 9 seconds off her PR." Perhaps it was not even Chebet at that point of the race, she might have sit and kicked late like Hassan. The pace was stupid slow in a way that favored both of them, and the other experienced US athletes never did a thing.Regardless. Minimizing a first time Olympian's efforts is weak and sad. Which was the point I stressed earlier. She did her best to compete that day.
Come on. She had zero effect on the race and lost 16 seconds to Chebet at the end of the race. Chebet, like anyone else, would have checked the start list and seen that no American was within 90 seconds of her. Her only concern would be the possibility of Valby tripping her. What she did is no different than had a 28:00 guy had taken the lead late in a really slow Olympic 10000m.
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spartanfan4life wrote:
Look, I think Valby has potential. I don't think her making the Olympic team and placing 11th out of 24 participants in a rather slow 10,000 (slow for an international championship final) is anything to scream and yell about. She did not qualify for the Olympics in two events. She came in 4th in the 5,000 at trials and it wasn't close. She then "qualified" because ESP opted out. She showed up better in the 10,000 at trials, but I wouldn't call her performance earth shattering. I would have done what I normally do on these boards and just read along if someone hadn't made the comment that she's never had her doors blown off when she has, indeed, had her doors blown off. So far all I've seen from her is evidence of a huge cardio engine and no finishing speed. I also think it's okay to say "Valby did/is x, y, z ..." without it turning into a comparison of her to other athletes. Honestly, the people on these boards who act like she's God's gift to track and field make it really hard to root for her.
This is a track fan website. Anyone who makes a US team is going to have fans. Someone who finished 11th at Olympics is actually pretty good.
Sure Valby gets a lot of attention because she's good looking, but anyone who makes a US team deserves some attention too.
I'm still going to follow Whitaker, who did not even make '25 team, and Willis and Lutkenhaus, who did not make the final.
Valby is still young, let's see how rest of her career plays out, if she regains health.
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