Don't think people are factoring in the track itself enough with these times. They built it fresh for the Olympics to be as fast as possible. That combined with perfect conditions and pacing and guys can run the race of their lives.
The whole field did. What a coincidence. Interesting that.
How do you feel about a guy who is a 3:31/3:30 high guy for 3.5 years, then lowers his PB by 3 SECONDS to 3:27.6 in a single race (going sub 3:30/3:29/3:28 all at once!), then goes back to being a 3:31 guy?
Even if you’re going by this logic, he returned to being a 3:29-hi to 3:30 guy. But he ran 7:23, which is worth a 3:28 so…
Probably…anyhow the Hocker doubters should at least do us the service of waiting until after the 2025 season. This was the first race with a sub-3:29.7 mark, and Hocker wasn’t in it. If he stinks it up at Pre/USAs/Silesia then let’s talk.
Probably…anyhow the Hocker doubters should at least do us the service of waiting until after the 2025 season. This was the first race with a sub-3:29.7 mark, and Hocker wasn’t in it. If he stinks it up at Pre/USAs/Silesia then let’s talk.
Seems weird to 'prove' a 1500m guy isn't doping because he runs a fast time at twice the distance.
And indoors, when it's widely accepted indoor tracks are faster now than outdoors.
If he was in 3:27 shape in February, why has he only run 3:34 and a 13:09 5000m this outdoor season?
Probably…anyhow the Hocker doubters should at least do us the service of waiting until after the 2025 season. This was the first race with a sub-3:29.7 mark, and Hocker wasn’t in it. If he stinks it up at Pre/USAs/Silesia then let’s talk.
Seems weird to 'prove' a 1500m guy isn't doping
Impossible to prove someone isn't doping. You didn't know this?
I’ve thought Josh Kerrs trajectory was a little sus, but then again, I think I remember reading he lost like 10 lbs and got crazy lean and dialed in his diet, which could all explain his results. George Mills really seems to have a normal progression. He’s pretty subpar, starts training at altitude, PRs get faster, has some bad results, trains harder, better results, and keeps getting faster. I think his progression has been fairly linear. The jump from a 12:58->12:46 5k is a little strange but they were 14 months apart and indoor vs outdoor.
You can see all the evidence of clean Kerr. He was super thin at Paris start line but Fishery was super chubby kinda fat. That’s how you tell who the dirty ones are.
El G was super thin on Atlanta start line in 96, he put on muscle on 2000 Sydney but that’s not chubby or fat which Fishery is. And then in 04 Athens El G reverted to being super thin like in Atlanta again. His body shape stayed consistently thin or thinly muscular throughout. It wasn’t the sort of testosterone muscular version but those enabled through diligent training and body weight exercises. It’s also consistent with a training environment free of artificial electromagnetic fields because then you don’t need lots of bulky muscles to run fast you just rely on a very good nervous system ( electrical impulses) to fire off your thin muscles and still run fast!!
Upvote or downvote me in the drones if you benefitted from my knowledge!
Probably…anyhow the Hocker doubters should at least do us the service of waiting until after the 2025 season. This was the first race with a sub-3:29.7 mark, and Hocker wasn’t in it. If he stinks it up at Pre/USAs/Silesia then let’s talk.
Seems weird to 'prove' a 1500m guy isn't doping because he runs a fast time at twice the distance.
And indoors, when it's widely accepted indoor tracks are faster now than outdoors.
If he was in 3:27 shape in February, why has he only run 3:34 and a 13:09 5000m this outdoor season?
Of you’re clean, you have to time your peaks. When someone is at the top of their game / form seemingly all the time, well, you know…. Hocker should be fine for the Nats and WCs.
Why is it too much for Habz when the whole field except one PBed by roughly a similar amount? Adding to wejo's post #15, here is how much everyone PBed by:
You have French, Kenyans, British, Dutch, Belgians, and a South African. What do they have in common? This race and this track.
wejo, can we please be able to spell people's names like Tsh1te using the proper spelling? What if this guy becomes a regular subject, and the non-mods always have to spell his name incorrectly? Same thing for Yuta Sh!tara and similar names?
guy is faster than other guy after 40 years of development and changes
the horror
What development, other than pharmaceuticals?
Its the new track technology doing that. Every year there are breakthrough performances from Paris DL. Last summer a standard 1500m runner from USA run 3min 27sec 65 (that and I'm suspecting he is micro-dosing secretly now, same strategy he has done last year).
Its the new track technology doing that. Every year there are breakthrough performances from Paris DL. Last summer a standard 1500m runner from USA run 3min 27sec 65 (that and I'm suspecting he is micro-dosing secretly now, same strategy he has done last year).
Breakthrough performances are occurring everywhere. It isn't the track.