Jakob goes from indoor worlds to a Norwegian courtroom where his testimony may send his dad to prison.

Yeah. The only exceptional thing about this (trauma/abuse) is that the stuff is dealt exhaustively at court. Although I guess some divorces also get similar treatment.

Ironically f it wasn't for his pops he wouldn't be at world's in the first place. I don't think his pops physically abused him. If he did then you would see the evidence of it when he runs since you only were shorts and singlet. Also if he was hurt then he wouldn't be able to run anywhere near Bekele. He was probably getting a lot more mental abuse like been shouted at a lot.

You are not accurate. I haven’t seen Jakob complain over no sleeping over in his parents house -on the contrary Gjert allowed Elisabeth to sleep over when she and Jakob were only 16 years old (according to the “Team Ingebrigtsen TV-series”). But Gjert wanted Elisabeth to leave when she had a cold.

What Jakob is criticising is this: He thinks Gjert unjustly criticised Elisabeth. And he also didn’t like that Gjert would restrict how much they were together, also in clear daylight, and both being healthy.

A lot of this is ridiculous, but the belief is that this is mostly over Gjert's treatment towards Ingrid. Everything else is just there to support what went on there.

And of course, Norway likely has different societal expectations than America, so maybe some of what seems like minor or typical to us, would be considered much worse over there.

Takes me back to the Adrian Peterson case of abusing his son, where the cultural differences between what some families in America consider normal versus what some consider an offense worthy of jail.

For the most part, I'll leave this for the Norwegians to pass judgement.

I don’t think you (and Rojo for instance) understand the following about Norwegian judicial thinking (that isn’t all that of an outlier -it pretty much reflects what is being said under UN’s human rights charter):

”Emotional abuse” is very often some of the worse abuse, especially when it’s systematic and combined with instances of physical abuse.

If Gjert was only charged with some instances of clear physical abuse, the upper limit for the court response would have been far lower than in this case (max one year in prison). -To break the one year limit the physical acting out must be extremely severe.

The severity in the case against Gjert is this: A combination of emotional and physical abuse that the prosecutors call “a regime of fear”. According to psychological and psychiatric research this form of abuse is way more damaging for kids than almost every random beating (that can be dangerous enough in itself). Therefore the max prison time is heightened to 6 years.

How fast was Gjert?

Jakob is making millions of dollars per year, how would the impetus be money on his end lol.

Hopefully they thought over this trial well. I would hate to see a doping accusation from Gjert out of spite, even though none of them have tested positive.

This is very painful to read.

I grew up in a home that was very violent.

My father used to beat the living hell out of me as a kid.

Once when I was probably 10 my father said there would be hell to pay if after I cut the grass there was a single blade of grass that was missed by the mower. I felt completely helpless.

I stopped wearing shorts to school after a girl noticed the black and blue welts on my upper leg while sitting in class. I was beat with fist, belts, cooking utensils etc but the worst things were the things said.

I don't believe Jakob because of what I went through, I believe him because his description of how he felt and how it's a struggle today to connect with others. I admire Jakob for preserving

Jakob is a wimp!

Under the aegis of "careful what you wish for". The TV series is coming back to haunt Gjert. However, if there was was any truth in the series, many situations can get blown out of proportion. I find it somewhat ironic that Martin (the middle child), who was emotionally ignored (since he quit the sport), seems not to be a part of this suit and has supported Gjert, likely to the distancing of his relationship with his brothers.

As one who also came from a large family (5b,2g), the difference being that my athletic brothers got no support for sports development from my parents, which affected their opportunities, rather than a father who was all in. But, since we all know of parents coaching their children, it can have problems if handled poorly - even with the athletic success of the three boys. My eldest brother blamed my father for all of his problems, to the point that I never spoke to that sibling again (after he missed my father's funeral). Hopefully the family can heal in the years ahead.

I found with Ingrid's situation (again knowing nothing about abuse if it happened) that Gjert was put between a rock and a hard place - he didn't want to coach Ingrid, and it turned out that she wasn't nearly as talented as her brothers, yet her expectations were sky high. She was doomed to quit the sport in that scenario.

Getting back to Martin, if the others had such a problem, why didn't they just quit as he did? You feel sorry for him as it means he no longer has his father's attention, but to be honest, he seems to be the most well adjusted amongst them all, other than perhaps Kristopher. Just because someone is a star athlete, doesn't make them well adjusted.

Two of the complaints seem silly to me. Or maybe I'm just abusive too.

First, I limit my kids' snacks after school to fruit only, which they don't really want, so they don't snack much. If you let them just eat snacks, they don't eat their dinner. I think it's a reasonable position to not allow snacks after school.

Second, I don't let my kids play computer games. In fact, I even limit the time they can spend doing anything in front of a computer. My logic is that they are probably going to spend most of their adult lives in front of a computer. But not letting him play the Playstation seems pretty reasonable. When you take away the computer, kids come up with better ways to entertain themselves.

The towel thing also seems like not a big deal.

Hitting in the head and kicking in the stomach - those are bad. But in the case of the former, he must not have been hitting him hard or he would have gotten a black eye. And a real kick in the stomach would have put him in the hospital, so I guess I wonder about that also.

The boys definitely seemed to have moved past their fear of Gjert in their adult lives. It was amusing to watch them toy with him for a reaction during the show. Gjert even says in one of the side interviews that they are looking for a reaction, so he kind of has to play the part. The stuff in the show, which might differ from real life, was just amusing. Like they are teasing Gjert that they're eating fast food, and he goes on a little rant, as expected.

I think this sums up perfectly why the brothers decided that enough is enough:

Here is the indictment regarding the daughter
In the period from 2018 to 5 January 2022 in NN (their home address) and elsewhere, he abused his daughter NN by using threats, coercion, violence, restricting her freedom of movement and violating her in other ways, including by:
- once in 2018/2019 in the car on the way to Stavanger, hit her once in the face because she had forgotten her heart rate monitor
- on several occasions after the incident described above, shouted at her if she did not dare answer him, and threatened to say "I'll f*** you" or similar
- on one occasion when she slammed a sliding door shut in an argument, he came after her in the hallway and ordered her back to the door, before pushing her with both hands in the upper body so that she fell to the floor
- during a drive he screamed at her so that she started crying. When asked if she was afraid of him, she answered in the affirmative. He then drove her around in the car until she promised not to tell anyone about the incident
- during discussions, he would poke her with his finger on her chest and upper arm every month, while screaming loudly that she was an idiot. She froze in fear and found this threatening and aggressive.
- when she wanted to quit running in the fall of 2021, he forced her over time to stay home during her free time against her will, stated that she was no longer his daughter, that she was ruining his life, that he would stand in the way of everything she tried to achieve, and ignored her and called her an idiot and incompetent.
- during an argument on Wednesday, January 5, 2022, he yelled at her and held a finger up to her face, before hitting her in the face with a towel, leaving a red mark on her cheek

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They basically lived in a regime of terror and fear.

That's one of the reasons I believe Jakob was lying when he said he couldn't remember any good times with his dad. That television series showed a bunch of times when the boys were laughing and having a good time with their father.

What parents don't put limits on how much time their underage children can spend with their boyfriends and girlfriends? Having those limits is not abuse.

You lost me with the Adrian Peterson reference. There is no acceptable cultural explanation for how he beat the ever living crap out of his 4-year-old kid.

Perhaps because Jakob wanted to keep more of his money for himself and not give his dad a cut?

Terrible take. My dad was an absolute bully. I lived in fear every day for 18 years. Grew up thinking of myself as a coward b/c at 7 years old I didn't step between him and my mom when he came home drunk and started pushing her around. I certainly hope that if other people could have seen past the happy facade we all wore most of the time they would have intervened. Since they didn't, I can only assume that they would be shocked to hear that I have exactly two happy memories involving my dad. (Playing Yatzhee and eating Sara Lee poundcake with Reddi whip one night my mom was gone and going to see the movie UHF in the theater.) Someone putting up a good front does not imply they're not going through hell.