Bruh you are tripping. Tell me someone who has better accolades then Jakob?? So faster times and more medals on big stages? That's what I thought.. For me the only one I can think that has not gotten faster times but at the time of his running was more dominant is Seb Coe, with 2 OI golds, and 4 WR held at once, and he is my favorite runner so I am biased
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No one is "on their way to anything" that they haven't yet achieved in sports. Nothing in sports is guaranteed. He was "on his way" to winning his main event in Paris. He finished out of the places. That may well be his fate in major championships to come. His performance record in the 1500 over the last 3 years says it is entirely likely now. Everything he hasn't yet achieved remains pure fantasy until it has happened.
My friend, again and again with your song. Write something unpredictable like: Jakob last 1k in 1:19 or Jakob masterclass of dominance, or you never watch the races?
No one is "on their way to anything" that they haven't yet achieved in sports. Nothing in sports is guaranteed. He was "on his way" to winning his main event in Paris. He finished out of the places. That may well be his fate in major championships to come. His performance record in the 1500 over the last 3 years says it is entirely likely now. Everything he hasn't yet achieved remains pure fantasy until it has happened.
My friend, again and again with your song. Write something unpredictable like: Jakob last 1k in 1:19 or Jakob masterclass of dominance, or you never watch the races?
So he won a regional indoor race with no Africans competing. Who is going to look at that on his resume when his career is over?
If, as you say in your previous post, "[n]o one is 'on their way to anything' that they haven't yet achieved in sports" and "[e]verything he hasn't yet achieved remains pure fantasy until it has happened," then you cannot say "any of [Hocker, Kerr or Nuguse] would likely have stayed with Ingebrigtsen and then outkicked him."
Sure, that isnt fact, but it's a reasonable likelihood on where those runners are in the present - not several years down the track.
You mention several athletes who both achieved world records in championship distances while also winning global championship titles. You chose to lower the bar by including runners who didn't do that. But the key difference with Ingebrigtsen is not only does he not hold the wrs in his specialist distance he hasn't won a global 1500 championship in years. In the 1500, that isn't one of "the greats".
Coe has never won a global 800m title. Lost even two times at the Europeans. (Ingebrigtsen now has 6 european 1500m titles).
Ovett hss never won a global 1500m title. 1 bronce - that's it during his full career.. ingebrigtsen at 24 stands at 1 gold, 3 silvers.
They still won gold at championship distances and set wr's in the 1500/mile, which Ingebrigtsen has never done. I would put Elliott and Snell way above him in that regard. They won the biggest races and set the records in outdoor championship distances.
He's beaten all those guys on many occasions. How many guys have won the 1500m Olympic title twice? Just Coe. Many of the greats never did it once. Jakob's won three World or Olympic titles at 5000m already as well as the Olympic 1500m crown and two World silvers at 1500m. Ovett had one Olympic gold, one bronze, no world medals. Seb Coe had two Olympic gold, two Olympic silver, no world championship appearances, and no commonwealth medals. I bet he gets those 1500m and mile records this year. The 5000m record is there for the taking for him. But even if he retires today, he's one of the all-time greats.
For the 265th time Armstronglivs has mentioned that Ingebrigtsen hasn't won a global 1500m title in the last 3 years.
Coe has NEVER won a global 800m title.
Ovett has NEVER won a global 1500m title.
All 3 are great athletes. Ingebrigtsen has already passed Ovett. With a WR in the 1500m and/ or the 5000m he will also pass Coe.
Coe was a double Olympic victor over the 1500; Ingebrigtsen once and a no placing. Coe broke the wr for the 1500/mile several times; Ingebrigtsen never has. We are talking 1500 not other distances but if you're including the 800 - why? - Coe was 1:41.73 as against Ingebrigtsen's 1:46.4.
As I said, I rate both Elliott and Snell above Ingebrigtsen over his main distance.
You are only hoping that Ingebrigtsen will get the 1500/mile wrs and the 5k. He may - but he may also keep getting beaten in global finals by runners with a better finish.
For the 265th time Armstronglivs has mentioned that Ingebrigtsen hasn't won a global 1500m title in the last 3 years.
Coe has NEVER won a global 800m title.
Ovett has NEVER won a global 1500m title.
All 3 are great athletes. Ingebrigtsen has already passed Ovett. With a WR in the 1500m and/ or the 5000m he will also pass Coe.
Coe was a double Olympic victor over the 1500; Ingebrigtsen once and a no placing. Coe broke the wr for the 1500/mile several times; Ingebrigtsen never has. We are talking 1500 not other distances but if you're including the 800 - why? - Coe was 1:41.73 as against Ingebrigtsen's 1:46.4.
As I said, I rate both Elliott and Snell above Ingebrigtsen over his main distance.
You are only hoping that Ingebrigtsen will get the 1500/mile wrs and the 5k. He may - but he may also keep getting beaten in global finals by runners with a better finish.
I'm the biggest Coe fan alive, my running idol as a kid, but you are comparing different runners. Coe was a 1k/1500 guy with slight range. Ingebrigsten is a 3k guy with better range than Coe. Seb was totally dominant 800 thru 1mile. Jake is a killer from 1500 to 5000m. He could never hang with Seb at 1000m (no one could) but he would destroy Seb at 3k up. No one has the resume over 6 events that Ingebrigsten does. 15/mile/2k/3k/2mile/5k he is absurdly fast.
My friend, again and again with your song. Write something unpredictable like: Jakob last 1k in 1:19 or Jakob masterclass of dominance, or you never watch the races?
So he won a regional indoor race with no Africans competing. Who is going to look at that on his resume when his career is over?
Someone with the stamina to make it past his world records, global medals and DL wins I presume.
If, as you say in your previous post, "[n]o one is 'on their way to anything' that they haven't yet achieved in sports" and "[e]verything he hasn't yet achieved remains pure fantasy until it has happened," then you cannot say "any of [Hocker, Kerr or Nuguse] would likely have stayed with Ingebrigtsen and then outkicked him."
Sure, that isnt fact, but it's a reasonable likelihood on where those runners are in the present - not several years down the track.
Lol, its hard to have principles when you can break them to make a point?
Coe was a double Olympic victor over the 1500; Ingebrigtsen once and a no placing. Coe broke the wr for the 1500/mile several times; Ingebrigtsen never has. We are talking 1500 not other distances but if you're including the 800 - why? - Coe was 1:41.73 as against Ingebrigtsen's 1:46.4.
As I said, I rate both Elliott and Snell above Ingebrigtsen over his main distance.
You are only hoping that Ingebrigtsen will get the 1500/mile wrs and the 5k. He may - but he may also keep getting beaten in global finals by runners with a better finish.
I'm the biggest Coe fan alive, my running idol as a kid, but you are comparing different runners. Coe was a 1k/1500 guy with slight range. Ingebrigsten is a 3k guy with better range than Coe. Seb was totally dominant 800 thru 1mile. Jake is a killer from 1500 to 5000m. He could never hang with Seb at 1000m (no one could) but he would destroy Seb at 3k up. No one has the resume over 6 events that Ingebrigsten does. 15/mile/2k/3k/2mile/5k he is absurdly fast.
The reason Coe was brought into the discussion is because Ingebrigtsen is already being likened to the "greats" over the 1500/mile. My point is that he is still some distance from that, due to his lack of outdoor world records over the distance and his successive losses in championship finals.
Sure, that isnt fact, but it's a reasonable likelihood on where those runners are in the present - not several years down the track.
Lol, its hard to have principles when you can break them to make a point?
It isn't principles - wtf has ethics or morality to do with this? - but what is a reasonable assessment of the present based on the facts. There are currently several runners who have beaten Ingebrigtsen who have better finishes than he does - and have shown it by beating him. His beating 'B' level runners doesn't indicate he will be able to do the same to those who currently have his measure.
Did someone say Jakob just does not have much of a kick? He's on cruise control and is going to break some WR this year.
Hocker would have flown past him. He won’t win Tokyo
They are not comparable. Hocker is just another fast runner, who is overshadowed By GOD JAKOB who will be a legend for a 1000 years. Hocker is like Ritz...who?
I' Armstronglivs and I have to tell you: you forgot to mention that he was reduced to a walk during his HM debut. That he is slow over 800m and didn't have the best kick in the 1500m. You also forget to mention that he didn't go for a fast time over 5000m in the last 3 seasons. Also that Cheptegei with his WR would have lapped him with his intermediate time 36 hours after his DL final win.
He also sucks in the discus, in weight lifting, in syncronised swimming, in chess and in kisuaheli.
Yes, he is the best track distance runner and on the way to become the greatest ever.
But all the above should be mentioned at least 10 times per day.
He was "on his way" to winning his main event in Paris.
Make up your mind. You said his main event is the half marathon.
Jakob had good acceleration when it was time to pull away, so he got significant separation in just a few meters and would have been sub-26 for his last lap if he had kept with it, but still your Ovett/Coe types would have closed that race in low 25 or under.
He put no significant distance between himself and the minor place-getters over the last lap. These were 'B' level runners by comparison with Hocker, Kerr and Nuguse - any of whom would likely have stayed with Ingebrigtsen and then outkicked him.
He wanted to win. He won. Only a moron like you, grasping at straws, is now going to judge his performance by the gap to second.
For the 265th time Armstronglivs has mentioned that Ingebrigtsen hasn't won a global 1500m title in the last 3 years.
Coe has NEVER won a global 800m title.
Ovett has NEVER won a global 1500m title.
All 3 are great athletes. Ingebrigtsen has already passed Ovett. With a WR in the 1500m and/ or the 5000m he will also pass Coe.
Coe was a double Olympic victor over the 1500; Ingebrigtsen once and a no placing. Coe broke the wr for the 1500/mile several times; Ingebrigtsen never has. We are talking 1500 not other distances but if you're including the 800 - why? - Coe was 1:41.73 as against Ingebrigtsen's 1:46.4.
As I said, I rate both Elliott and Snell above Ingebrigtsen over his main distance.
You are only hoping that Ingebrigtsen will get the 1500/mile wrs and the 5k. He may - but he may also keep getting beaten in global finals by runners with a better finish.
We are not talking 1500m.
I'm not hoping he will get the 1500m/Mile and/or 5000m WRs.
At age 24 Ingebrigtsen has more seasons where he was the no. 1 at 1500m than Coe has had during his career. Let's see how many more will come. He is much stronger at the moment than he was last year at the same time.