Ncaa mile record on watch at BU

Looking forward to it though I wish the meet schedule had an invitational section with the top two heats of each event grouped together for a much more interesting meet. Today there are 15 heats of women's mile and same for 800m earlier and 9 heats for 3,000m. It means hanging around all day just to catch the top competition if you want to see it live.

We will see soon but Birnbaum running 3:52 further reassured me this supposed 3:50-51 barrier doesn’t exist. I don’t think he is close to Strand/Murphys level in endurance and his speed might be better but enough to make up the difference? Doubtful.

Strand ran like a 4:08 mile as a soph in HS pre supershoes. I remember seeing that result in class one day and being blown away. Birnbaum ran like 3:37 with supershoes his senior year (and wasn't he the 2nd guy to break 4 as a junior after Ryun? Maybe Burns beat him to it by a few weeks).

If anyone out of the last few years of HS recruits was gonna make a massive jump to CR shape, I'd have bet on Birnbaum. His 3:52.8 isn't much faster than Sahlman's 3:53.1 he ran at the start of his sophomore year, but I think Sahlman won his race, so roughly even imo. And there were several guys clearly better than Sahlman last year who didn't break the record (even with 1500m pbs that convert faster).

I'm not saying Birnbaum is gonna break the record this year, but after that 3:52, I wouldn't be shocked if he was top 5 outdoors (Green, Strand, Spencer, Sahlman, idk who's next but you definitely have to be in 3:32 shape to be there).

I’d be surprised but it’s possible. Sahlman did jump to that level but he also improved even more to 3:33.96 outdoors (in a win) and let’s not forget his 3:53 at BU was a win with a big finish. Felt like more meat on the bone there. That was a pretty all-out push by Birnbaum, he gave everything and it was impressive. No knock on Birnbaum, the ncaa is just loaded.

I may have to chicken sh-t my way out here, LOL and amend my 3:50 for Strand OR Sahlman as I think at least one of them is a bit better than either of Birnbaum and the winner,
MESSAOUDI, who is 24 now.

Just watch and they jog a 1:58/2:57 and bang home a 3;52 lol. It’s totally possible. As you say, props to Birnbaum and Abdullah for committing and going for it. Pacer did well too, but these guys ran the time because they were willing to get out there. Massaoudi (sp.)a tad less but he made a strong move and stayed in the race.

I will have to look up his name every time, so here forward known as "Ok St guy" he did none of the work, nor even faked it, he came from 5th over after 3/4. One of the reasons besides shoes and track improvements, and I have said this before, there are pacers in every non champ race in college, whats the risk, there is little emphasis on who wins, only time run. And there have been rabbitts for a while, sure, but not every week, every single meet, every single event, event "back" heats.

I'm surprised this pacing wasn't more commonplace in earlier seasons since qualifying for the NCAA indoors is top 16, strictly by time. Outdoors is different as you only need to get into the top 48 for regionals. So there all you need is a decent time before the real action in regionals.

So?

Y’all can eat crow! 3:48.2 with Sahlman upsetting his rhythm multiple times.

Far from a perfect ride.

Full results?

I was just following the live results and the clock froze at 2:57.0…it’s killing me

STRAND 3:48.32 TO KESSLER 3:48.66 WHAT DID I SAY

Strand 3:48.2, Farken 3;49.6, Fogg 3:49.7 I think

Holy smokes

Well, I said I would admit when I am wrong, and I clearly was, not even close, I was trying to follow on web site where they usually have the splits running clock.

HOLY

Monster run. Big props to Hazem Miawad -- great pace job. Kept checking over his shoulder and kept the splits decently even, if a little hot to start.

That was ludicrous