Jakob Ingebrigtsen DESTROYS 26:49 runner over 8K XC

That is a compliment here.

By your logic Stewart McSweyn hasn't broken 2 minutes in an official 800m race - his PB is 2:01, so he can't go sub 2 in the 800.

Also, Kenenisa Bekele has never broken 4 in the mile in an official mile race. Do you think he was incapable of doing so in his prime?

Since 4 years, this was the point. Changing subject, only thing you can do. As always.

No, you said it was widely believed that Komen was cheating. Your comment was about what people thought about Komen at the time, and your response is only what you think right now.

You mean, you are changing goal posts as you always do when called out on your ignorance?

Yes, there are. If you were knowledgeable you would understand that. But you are not.

Lol.

It was a nice little period in here while you were away.

You just posted like 9 times in a row.

Well, I missed him. And you found other posters to call dense when he was away -you clearly don’t like other opinions than your own, do you?

You also have to learn how to read: “His 3k time hasn’t improved his 5k time” is factually correct -only an improved 5k time improves the 5k time.. Yeah, you could say that it’s a too narrowly and too literally way of reading a sentence, but I side with Armstronglivs that one has to state some facts here, when some of you present your speculations as sacred facts…

Personally I think Jakob’s 3k WR is an indicator of him also having bettered his 5000m strength. And I’m pretty sure Arms thinks the same -he has in a post stated that he can see Jakob run close to 12.40 (an improvement of some 8 sec). Have you forgotten that, Lars?

But an improvement from Jakob doesn’t mean that he automatically or easily can run a WR, or always win the 5000m champs, as some of you seems to think. And it’s symptomatic that some of you instantly gets erratic when posters try to be nuanced around Jakob’s 5000m prospects…

I can see the following situation: Gebrhiwet (or some other stellar African) runs 12.33, whereas Jakob only can do 12.40 or maybe 12.38. -Such a scenario will of course mean no WR for Jakob, and possibly also a WC/DL/OG loss.

I’m a Jakob fan, so I hope he manages to find a solution so the scenario above doesn’t materialises as a definite thing. But judging pros and cons when it comes to indications (Jakob’s many 5000m wins where the other medalists have “bad” pb’s, up against his long races where he seems to be worse the longer the distance) I for now would guess that a 5000m WR is out of reach, and that he also risks losing against guys like Gebrhiwet (in peak shape/healthy)…

I’m not co-signing Armstronglivs, but you all need to work on your analogies.

Armstonglivs said Jakob can’t run under 12:48 because he hasn’t done it in a race. If Jakob had split sub 12:48 in any other race longer than 5k, he wouldn’t make that argument.

Your analogy is inconsistent with his argument because Stewy has in fact broken 2 min in a verifiable race, Jakob has not run sub 12:48 on any occasion.

For the record, I believe Jakob can run under 12:48, I just had to point out your low quality rebuttal.

That isn't my "logic". It is simply to point out that despite his records and fast times in other events Ingebrigtsen has made no improvement in his 5k time in 3 years and remains a country mile short of the wr. Unlike McSweyn in the 800m (who has run faster than 2min in a mile race), he has also competed seriously in the 5k. But nothing he has run in several years of competing over the longer event suggests he can take a wr that is 13 seconds faster than his best. He isn't naturally a 5k/10k runner so his chances are slim.

This is a discussion thread - in which others chose to respond to my comments - or do you have a personal rule that you can only post once?

It isn't the same comparison. Neither Bekele nor McSweyn competed seriously over the shorter events. Jakob - by all accounts here - is a 5krunner. But not a terribly fast one. Surprising, when some argue it is his best distance.

It isn't the point. You try to change it to make him look better. He has lost every global 1500 championship final in the last 3 years.

My comment wasn't what people thought "at the time" but what has come to be believed about those records and the prevalence of undetectable EPO. I don't give a sh*t that there have always been naive fans.

For all your "knowledge" he remains 13 seconds off the world record and gets no closer to it. Nothing argued here means he will break it.

You guys are much happier with your echo chamber.

Well expressed. I wouldn't substantially differ with your views about Ingebrigtsen's prospects.