Amby Burfoot says it out loud - Chepngetich is doping

the top Americans only run the marathon at the twilight of their careers, not because they're less doped.

There is thread after thread on this. There have been the same on numerous other performances, inviting that kind of scepticism as well. If posters took a step back from these debates they should realise that the sport has lost all credibility. There is too much doubt and even outright rejection that so many top performances are clean. It has been a recurring pattern in the sport for some time. Running has become like pro wrestling before it acknowledged its doping couldn't be controlled and so changed its name from the World Wrestling Federation to World Wrestling Entertainment. Chepngetich's performance is just that - "entertainment", not sport. But until this is officially acknowledged it is also a fraud.

It actually is if everyone dopes. Running 100+ mpw is very unhealthy and put your health at an accelerated risk too. When you're at the top of the game, squeezing that last ounce of improvement, it's never healthy.

It's not just about running. It goes to pretty much everything. I know a top-tier professional artist who draws pretty much when he's breathing (and has had Carpel tunnel for years), and binges Redbull/Monster to meet deadlines. It's certainly pretty bad for the body, but that's the way it is if you want to be one of the top. Everything comes with a price.

Like Kipchoge setting the record in his late thirties, the "twilight of his career"?

yeah, he's clearly to the gill too, so is everyone else. As he said: no doper is limited.

Oops, wrong quote.

There is an article on this from 2003 where the author submits to taking performance enhancing drugs under the supervision of a doctor. And he took a lot of different ones from HGH to Steroids to EPO. It is a good read. But it definitely made it sound like it was not particularly dangerous as long as you stayed within certain levels and were supervised by a physician. Link is below.

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Everybody knows that many athletes cheat by using performance-enhancing drugs like steroids, testosterone, and EPO. But what is it like to take these banned substances? Do they really help you win? To find out, we sent an ama...

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It isn't the same. A dentist can't cheat their way through every exam to gain an academic qualification. How many examples can you find of any who supposedly did this? On the other hand it is routine for Kenyan runners to dope. They have absolutely lost all credibility.

that's a good read.

You haven't understood his arguments. I doubt you understand the sport.

What a load of self-indulgent drivel. The issue is not the sex of the athlete but her level of performance. You also haven't read the innumerable other threads here about male performances that have also raised doping issues.

So you have no respect for the understanding and knowledge that comes from years of experience. You will never see the doping that is right under your nose.

Since this site (and the running world at large) seems to have gone full witch trial mode over the last 72 hours, I will ask this question: Was Amby Burfoot doping before the 1968 Boston Marathon?

If you were trying to make a point in response to my post you might want to have another go.

Do you say the same thing about Jakob when he finishes looking like he's been out for a morning walk? Or is that because something is "different" about him?

For the record, I didn't write that Chepngetich is/was doping. I don't have a clue. I said there were ample reasons to be suspicious of her 2:09:56. It's curious to me what's going on at WMM doping controls. Chicago, for example, has had five winners and 1 podium finisher later fail a doping test. Shobukhova, Jeptoo, Sumgong. But they always pass the tests presumably given at the event. Same for other WMM. It's not just Chicago's problem.

Dude's called "Amby", I can't take it seriously

Amby, you are a really intelligent guy and well-versed in this so I ask "what is curious about it?"

Those doping with any form of sophistication won't flunk an in-competition test. That's why unannounced, out of competition testing by the AIU/national bodies is so important. The majors know that and they all put together funding to sponsor the testing, and withhold prize money strategically so they won't have to fully pay it out for athletes who fail future tests. Most people who suspect Chepngetich think she does some form of microdosing with EPO and Testosterone that isn't picked up by out of competition tests, let alone at an event's doping controls.

On the other side of the spectrum, in-competition doping positive tests are how we found out that a lot of Kenyan doping frequently includes unscrupulous middlemen. The Boston Marathon winner Kipyokei was one of dozens to fail for a drug (Tri Acetate) literally only banned in competition at the time. It'd be nonsensical to take it right before a race with testing as it is detectable, but if crooked individuals get paid in the short-term, what do they care? Despite it being really dumb to use for athletes, it took out a number of them. After all the high-profile busts, education (possibly) and a sting operation that caught it in Nairobi's airport, there hasn't been a positive test for it in months. Nandrolone is another example of a substance that was in vogue for a while for Kenyan athletes and now seems pretty rare to come up.

This supports the idea that doping while prevalent in Kenya is more of a mishmash of sophisticated and unsophisticated doping. The numbers support that the worse an athlete is the more likely they are to fail a doping test despite being subjected to fewer tests, especially out of competition. That being said, the cynic would point out the better an athlete is the more likely they have access to sophisticated doping and better representation (Rosa, Demadonna) to guide them in it.

With Kenya's atrocious PEDigree, questions of doping are absolutely appropriate.

Until someone tests positive it should be celebrated !!! When did letsrun become judge and jury ? If 2.09.56 by a female doesn't deserve a black page then WTF does ?