Recent attention has been focused on the long-term impact of cannabis exposure, for which experimental animal studies have validated causal relationships between neurobiological and behavioral alterations during the individua...
I wish the world worked that way, but it doesn’t. The choices people make, even personal ones, can be destructive for the society and culture around them. Ubiquitous marijuana use makes life more difficult for non-users. Other people have to pick up the slack for chronic users. Jobs go unfilled, or worse are populated with low performers. More accidents, more general laziness, more waste of time.
They're wasting their own time, not yours. Stoners aren't like meth or heroin addicts. They aren't a burden on society. If they are unproductive workers, the market will discover that very quickly and sort them into an appropriate job. They don't owe anyone excellence.
In general, I do think the legalization movement erred in arguing that marijuana is 100% harmless. It's such a bold claim, and all it requires is a scintilla of contrary evidence to destroy their credibility. The line should be: not entirely without risks, but way, way, way safer than alcohol.
13% of schizophrenia cases are caused by marijuana use. Surely you admit that other people have to pick up the piece and help these people?
Also, you don't get impaired from having a drink or two. Isn't the point of people using marijuana to get high? Especially with the increased THC content of modern marijuana this is a critical difference.
Smoking weed as an adolescent increases the addictiveness of heroin for you and your offspring.
IMO the whole "gate way drug" thing is not about the drug, it's about the person's personality and willingness to take risks. If anyone remembers the saying "if she smokes, she pokes!" meaning a girl that smokes cigarettes is more than likely to have sex than not. It's not because the cigarettes make her have sex, it's because she is the type of person more likely to take risks than not.
13% of schizophrenia cases are caused by marijuana use. Surely you admit that other people have to pick up the piece and help these people?
Also, you don't get impaired from having a drink or two. Isn't the point of people using marijuana to get high? Especially with the increased THC content of modern marijuana this is a critical difference.
It’s hilarious that even now with weed legal across large swaths of the country that pot head morons still feel like they need to keep up the misinformation campaign. No, weed is not good for a person. It has all sorts of negative side effects. Just as it did in the past. Legalizing weed did not improve society. It did not eliminate crime.
“A recent study unveiled a significant shift in American substance use consumption patterns, indicating that marijuana has outpaced alcohol in daily usage for the first time in history.”
Sis, despite the fact that alcohol users far out number marijuana users overall. Yet somehow alcohol users are better able to moderate there intake than marijuana users.
Of course it’s too late now. Marijuana users are able to get baked every day, if they want, without “getting hassled by The Man.” That was really the entire purpose of the legalization movement - getting really high without legal consequences- despite a lot of noble sounding language about human liberty and medical uses.
Very addictive. I had a stupid doctor that kept trying to prescribe it for pain management. I refused and kept explaining that I am federal cannot and will not do that. He would try and note what if I write you a note indicating what it is for. I had to explain that I do not support the legalization of marijuana at all. I think it is terrible. I eventually fired him as my families primary when I was septic in the hospital, and he tried to tell the on-call physician to take me off of morphine and opioids as he would like to try an alternative approach to pain management. Keep in mind I do not abuse the narcotics that I am prescribed I take them as needed usually before bed if I am in need of pain relief. I was hurt in the military and have some unresolved surgeries that are upcoming for back and a few other things. The fact that a doctor would try and advise inhaling some chemical into your lungs for pain relief to me is completely moronic. It is only a matter of time before all of these pot heads have lung cancer, COPD, and other similar to smoking relating illnesses.
I think they need to make this illegal once again!
Also, you don't get impaired from having a drink or two. Isn't the point of people using marijuana to get high? Especially with the increased THC content of modern marijuana this is a critical difference.
I'm in my 50s and the days of smoking weed to "get high" at parties or whatever are long gone. When I consume weed (I vape dry herb that I grow myself), it's more of a medication. Medication is maybe not the best word though. The closest analogy I can think of is coffee. Caffeine is a drug that a lot of people use daily. It isn't really a medication in a medical sense but people use it that way. They aren't necessarily getting "high" with it, although to someone who rarely ingests caffeine, you could say it's sort of a high. But it is a drug that enhances life in some way, which is why a lot of people use it daily and are pretty much on it all day every day.
For me, weed is kind of like that. I would not say I'm getting "high" really, because I use it every day and it's my normal waking state. I'm not walking around laughing and acting silly or anything. I'm actually living my normal life; doing work, running errands, etc. I work as a software dev. I suppose it has an antidepressant and anti-anxiety affect on me. I don't really drink. Maybe a beer every now and then.
Now as for the typical assertion that weed is "stronger nowadays". That's silly. So is alcohol. You can get very strong distilled alcohol, like everclear. Does that make people more alcoholic? Not generally. When people drink stronger alcohol they just have smaller drinks. Same thing with weed. You just don't have to use as much. Instead of packing a whole bud, maybe you have half. That's basically it. I just don't see why you guys keep making this into some kind of talking point.
As for the paranoia, I get the impression some people on here just are paranoid, and when they tried weed they got more paranoid. So they think it makes everyone paranoid. But I think it's probably just you. Like me for example, I am a bad drunk. I know alcohol is bad for me. But should everyone stop drinking because I can't handle it? I don't think so.
13% of schizophrenia cases are caused by marijuana use. Surely you admit that other people have to pick up the piece and help these people?
Also, you don't get impaired from having a drink or two. Isn't the point of people using marijuana to get high? Especially with the increased THC content of modern marijuana this is a critical difference.
It’s hilarious that even now with weed legal across large swaths of the country that pot head morons still feel like they need to keep up the misinformation campaign. No, weed is not good for a person. It has all sorts of negative side effects. Just as it did in the past. Legalizing weed did not improve society. It did not eliminate crime.
I wish the world worked that way, but it doesn’t. The choices people make, even personal ones, can be destructive for the society and culture around them. Ubiquitous marijuana use makes life more difficult for non-users. Other people have to pick up the slack for chronic users. Jobs go unfilled, or worse are populated with low performers. More accidents, more general laziness, more waste of time.
They're wasting their own time, not yours. Stoners aren't like meth or heroin addicts. They aren't a burden on society. If they are unproductive workers, the market will discover that very quickly and sort them into an appropriate job.
You’re wrong. Modern society is nowhere near such a model of efficiency. People who get high each and every day are in important positions all around us. They make decisions, teach our kids, operate heavy machinery, stumble through neighborhoods half conscious back to their tent cities in the middle of downtown. Drug use is something we all have to deal with.
Anything can be addictive. Try use brain to use anything like that in the best way you can.
Better to have the plebs stoned then drunk
It’s amazing how many pro pot people on this forum use the “it’s better than alcohol” defense. As if it’s a simple either/or proposition. Or that I’m advocating for greater levels of drunkenness. Let’s be intellectually honest here.
I would be fine with that, but I wouldn’t advocate for it. Alcohol has been part of human civilization for thousands of years. There is no getting rid of it at this point.
People regard Prohibition as a “failure” because not everyone stopped drinking. But afterwards, per capita alcohol consumption was at one of the lowest points in American history, less than half what we drink now.
But alcohol prohibition is a pointless pursuit. I bet if you polled most Americans, they would say that alcohol use rose during that time.
But marijuana we may be able to do something about.
Alcohol defies prohibition because people enjoy it a lot. The same thing is happening with marijuana. People care more about their individual freedoms than they do public health, which can be seen in the gun debate, sugar taxes, vaccine discourse, etc. I'm not sure what the right balance is but I don't see marijuana legalization slowing down any time soon.
I would be fine with that, but I wouldn’t advocate for it. Alcohol has been part of human civilization for thousands of years. There is no getting rid of it at this point.
People regard Prohibition as a “failure” because not everyone stopped drinking. But afterwards, per capita alcohol consumption was at one of the lowest points in American history, less than half what we drink now.
But alcohol prohibition is a pointless pursuit. I bet if you polled most Americans, they would say that alcohol use rose during that time.
But marijuana we may be able to do something about.
Alcohol defies prohibition because people enjoy it a lot. The same thing is happening with marijuana. People care more about their individual freedoms than they do public health, which can be seen in the gun debate, sugar taxes, vaccine discourse, etc. I'm not sure what the right balance is but I don't see marijuana legalization slowing down any time soon.
Sadly, I think you’re right. People care about their individual choices far more than about public health. The problem is that we have made healthcare a public good. Massive numbers of Americans are dependent on government subsidies in one form or another. So there is a coming conflict between taxpayers who are forced to foot the bill for people who make poor decisions with their health.
Also, you don't get impaired from having a drink or two. Isn't the point of people using marijuana to get high? Especially with the increased THC content of modern marijuana this is a critical difference.
I'm in my 50s and the days of smoking weed to "get high" at parties or whatever are long gone. When I consume weed (I vape dry herb that I grow myself), it's more of a medication. Medication is maybe not the best word though. The closest analogy I can think of is coffee. Caffeine is a drug that a lot of people use daily. It isn't really a medication in a medical sense but people use it that way. They aren't necessarily getting "high" with it, although to someone who rarely ingests caffeine, you could say it's sort of a high. But it is a drug that enhances life in some way, which is why a lot of people use it daily and are pretty much on it all day every day.
For me, weed is kind of like that. I would not say I'm getting "high" really, because I use it every day and it's my normal waking state. I'm not walking around laughing and acting silly or anything. I'm actually living my normal life; doing work, running errands, etc. I work as a software dev. I suppose it has an antidepressant and anti-anxiety affect on me. I don't really drink. Maybe a beer every now and then.
Now as for the typical assertion that weed is "stronger nowadays". That's silly. So is alcohol. You can get very strong distilled alcohol, like everclear. Does that make people more alcoholic? Not generally. When people drink stronger alcohol they just have smaller drinks. Same thing with weed. You just don't have to use as much. Instead of packing a whole bud, maybe you have half. That's basically it. I just don't see why you guys keep making this into some kind of talking point.
As for the paranoia, I get the impression some people on here just are paranoid, and when they tried weed they got more paranoid. So they think it makes everyone paranoid. But I think it's probably just you. Like me for example, I am a bad drunk. I know alcohol is bad for me. But should everyone stop drinking because I can't handle it? I don't think so.
You wouldn't define your use of marijuana use as getting high? Tell us how that works, please.
You're wrong about the higher levels of THC. Use google and read up about the problems. There's plenty on just how much it's impacted new schizophrenia cases.
If you want to go ad hominem, I won't reciprocate. I will say that if you reread what you wrote perhaps some self-reflection would be good. For example: Do you think it's normal that your "normal waking state" is being under the influence of marijuana? Do you think it's normal to run drive under the influence of marijuana? Those aren't something I'm trying to get you to answer here in public, but are worth some thought in my opinion.
Anything can be addictive. Try use brain to use anything like that in the best way you can.
Better to have the plebs stoned then drunk
It’s amazing how many pro pot people on this forum use the “it’s better than alcohol” defense. As if it’s a simple either/or proposition. Or that I’m advocating for greater levels of drunkenness. Let’s be intellectually honest here.
This! Was just coming here to laugh at this argument. There is alway something different or better. If you want to use marijuana that’s fine, but let’s be honest. It’s addictive it impairs judgment and it is better if you can get by without it. However if you function better on it then do it.
Smoking weed as an adolescent increases the addictiveness of heroin for you and your offspring.
enhanced work effort and "stereotypical behavior" during withdrawal doesn't mean what you think it does, especially as regards heroin.
in all probability, the hard-working weed-parent rats were scoring more dope, and therefore getting more dopesick. But it's a non-sequitur to say there's any increased "addictiveness" beyond the increased amount of dope.
What it more plausibly means is these rats were more willing to deal with the ups and downs of a big habit. That more of a personality trait than anything, and does it come from the weed itself, or from their upbringing? Who knows. But in people, of course a 2nd generation hippie will be more adaptable to the lifestyle of heavier drug use. That's well established.
They have isolated the physical mechanism in the brain that THC affects. This research study is presented as part of a course on the chemistry of addiction, taught by an organic chemist at Carnegie Melon University, by the way.
They have isolated the physical mechanism in the brain that THC affects. This research study is presented as part of a course on the chemistry of addiction, taught by an organic chemist at Carnegie Melon University, by the way.
again, there is nothing in there to correlate this "physical mechanism" with the observed behavior of the rats, nor that behavior to some sort of increased "addictiveness" of the heroin.
Appealing to their authority isn't an argument, especially if it involves a lot of funding.
Heroin is addictive to everyone who uses it daily for a few days. There isn't any way to legitimately quantify that, or say it's "more" addictive for some than for others. It's 100% addictive for everyone, regardless of differences in behavior.
It's a shame to see medical research wander off into social pseudoscience.
Most of you dudes have zero idea of what you are talking about. Olympic Trials Finalist and recovering addict, alcohol and nicotine are far more destructive than an herb grown plant. Synthetic derivatives are a different animal agreed but to hear what some of you dimwits or as my Aussie friends would say "champs" have zero idea about what you are talking about yet you have an opinion.
You don't have an educated opinion. You are brainwashed and live under the cover of a Presumptionalist. Worse than being a coward or even nihilist. You and your kind are all apologetics for what?
That a man makes a decision and it breaks him down or builds him up. Who are any of you to judge and come at me and I will run laps around you. Literally. Done it before.
Most of you dudes have zero idea of what you are talking about. Olympic Trials Finalist and recovering addict, alcohol and nicotine are far more destructive than an herb grown plant. Synthetic derivatives are a different animal agreed but to hear what some of you dimwits or as my Aussie friends would say "champs" have zero idea about what you are talking about yet you have an opinion.
You don't have an educated opinion. You are brainwashed and live under the cover of a Presumptionalist. Worse than being a coward or even nihilist. You and your kind are all apologetics for what?
That a man makes a decision and it breaks him down or builds him up. Who are any of you to judge and come at me and I will run laps around you. Literally. Done it before.
