Our race preview is now up and we've been told that the pacing lights will be set for 3:30. We will try to confirm that at the pre-race press conference which has been delayed as Jakob's flight was delayed.
Our race preview is now up and we've been told that the pacing lights will be set for 3:30. We will try to confirm that at the pre-race press conference which has been delayed as Jakob's flight was delayed.
Well that's disappointing the pace lights are only 3:30. Was really hoping they'd get aggressive here since they have nothing to lose. The big race already happened this year (Olympics) so everything after feels kind of meaningless unless it's for a fast time. What would Jakob get out of winning here? The pride of beating Yared and a past peak Hocker?
I have a lot of respect for Jakob for racing so much. I'd rather have him run this 3:30 paced race than not race at all I guess. But why not attempt a fast 1500m or 5k time? The future is never certain so who knows if he'll have more injury problems the next few years or something and never have such a good opportunity to go after these times again.
So 100% the "3.30" was/is purely a placeholder - as you mentioned the actual pace is dependant on Jakob who just arrived at the presser - the majority of questions are around Copenhagen on Sunday.
My guess is that the pace will be set for 1.52.00 at 800m, just under 2.48 at 1200m - it's going to be set up for a 3.28 race with a faster finish. I personally think it's absurd that a final you have to qualify for has pacing anyway, but whatever.
Jakob saying "he will be in Copenhagen" and clearly isn't going to openly commit to this half marathon yet. 100% he is going to see how tomorrow goes before deciding if being in Copenhagen is as a spectator or competing.
3.28.35 winning time tomorrow. Running world records isn't easy people - especially not this record.
Well that's disappointing the pace lights are only 3:30. Was really hoping they'd get aggressive here since they have nothing to lose. The big race already happened this year (Olympics) so everything after feels kind of meaningless unless it's for a fast time. What would Jakob get out of winning here? The pride of beating Yared and a past peak Hocker?
I have a lot of respect for Jakob for racing so much. I'd rather have him run this 3:30 paced race than not race at all I guess. But why not attempt a fast 1500m or 5k time? The future is never certain so who knows if he'll have more injury problems the next few years or something and never have such a good opportunity to go after these times again.
Pace lights can be ignored.
Depends on what the pacers are instructed to run.
If Jakob at 100%, I think they will go a lot faster than 3:30 pace
If Jakob at 100%, I think they will go a lot faster than 3:30 pace
I don't know I'd go as far to say "pace lights can be ignored".
1) The lights will be set to what the pacers are asked to run
2) Jakob is going to run to the lights - right at the top of the green bubble, like he does without fail almost every run and if the human pacers are ahead of those then he couldn't care less about them.
Either way it will be updated by tomorrow but remember, 2.48.0 is technically 3.30 pace even though the guys will be closing out much faster than 42.0 off that pace. 3.30 pace for 4/5 of the race is really setting up a 3.28 low finishing time.
I agree. While 3:30.00 is still a respectable pace, it seems a bit slow for a Diamond League final that has two pacers to draft behind & wavelights, in a year when one guy has run 3:26 and three guys have run 3:27 (eight under 3:30). End of season in an Olympic year though, so it's understandable why everyone's tired.
While Ingebrigtsen will most likely break 3:30 in this race (with or without faster wavelights), that wave light pace seems slow for his style of racing which is typically go straight to the front at a fast pace. Not necessarily as fast as El G pace, but still hard enough to string out the field. 3:30 seems like the field would be too bunched together.
While I agree that the chances for a WR are extremely slim especially since Jakob himself stated in the press conference it was unlikely (but still "possible"), he probably should still capitalize on current fitness to run another 3:27 or even 3:26. Maybe with Nuguse in tow. Wavelights and pacemakers to draft behind would theoretically lead to a fast time as that is one of Ingebrigtsen's best racing environments.
If he can run 3:29 when sick, 3:27-3:28 is probably his norm when healthy, with 3:26 on his best days. 3:25 only on a perfect day. He's probably holding back a little because of the presumed HM on Sunday. I also agree with Ingebrigtsen that it's best not to hype up every 1500 he runs in as a "world record attempt" as that dilutes the impressiveness of El G's 3:26.00. He also admits that the 1500 world record will certainly be the hardest one for him since he's better suited for 3K and 5K.
If Jakob at 100%, I think they will go a lot faster than 3:30 pace
I don't know I'd go as far to say "pace lights can be ignored".
1) The lights will be set to what the pacers are asked to run
2) Jakob is going to run to the lights - right at the top of the green bubble, like he does without fail almost every run and if the human pacers are ahead of those then he couldn't care less about them.
Either way it will be updated by tomorrow but remember, 2.48.0 is technically 3.30 pace even though the guys will be closing out much faster than 42.0 off that pace. 3.30 pace for 4/5 of the race is really setting up a 3.28 low finishing time.
Maybe I am in the minority here, or missed something, but I cannot believe they are even having pace lights set for a Championship race at all. I guess this was or is the practice, but I would be on the other side of this concept.
Maybe I am in the minority here, or missed something, but I cannot believe they are even having pace lights set for a Championship race at all. I guess this was or is the practice, but I would be on the other side of this concept.
No I totally agree - I said exactly this in an earlier post. This is where the format gets lost with me. I guess the only logic they use is that all these races that we used to qualify for this final were paced so we have to stay consistent and do the same for the "final". Honestly, I much preferred the Golden League format of higher paid individual meets with a shared pot for winning every event and then a separate Grand Prix/World Athletics Final based on world ranking or a related points system - but that's just me.
Maybe I am in the minority here, or missed something, but I cannot believe they are even having pace lights set for a Championship race at all. I guess this was or is the practice, but I would be on the other side of this concept.
No I totally agree - I said exactly this in an earlier post. This is where the format gets lost with me. I guess the only logic they use is that all these races that we used to qualify for this final were paced so we have to stay consistent and do the same for the "final". Honestly, I much preferred the Golden League format of higher paid individual meets with a shared pot for winning every event and then a separate Grand Prix/World Athletics Final based on world ranking or a related points system - but that's just me.
This is exactly what the Ultimate championship they introduced earlier this year is. Based on world ranking and a heat and a final. Basically diamond league final but no pacers.
I don't know I'd go as far to say "pace lights can be ignored".
1) The lights will be set to what the pacers are asked to run
2) Jakob is going to run to the lights - right at the top of the green bubble, like he does without fail almost every run and if the human pacers are ahead of those then he couldn't care less about them.
Either way it will be updated by tomorrow but remember, 2.48.0 is technically 3.30 pace even though the guys will be closing out much faster than 42.0 off that pace. 3.30 pace for 4/5 of the race is really setting up a 3.28 low finishing time.
Maybe I am in the minority here, or missed something, but I cannot believe they are even having pace lights set for a Championship race at all. I guess this was or is the practice, but I would be on the other side of this concept.
I agree. While 3:30.00 is still a respectable pace, it seems a bit slow for a Diamond League final that has two pacers to draft behind & wavelights, in a year when one guy has run 3:26 and three guys have run 3:27 (eight under 3:30). End of season in an Olympic year though, so it's understandable why everyone's tired.
While Ingebrigtsen will most likely break 3:30 in this race (with or without faster wavelights), that wave light pace seems slow for his style of racing which is typically go straight to the front at a fast pace. Not necessarily as fast as El G pace, but still hard enough to string out the field. 3:30 seems like the field would be too bunched together.
While I agree that the chances for a WR are extremely slim especially since Jakob himself stated in the press conference it was unlikely (but still "possible"), he probably should still capitalize on current fitness to run another 3:27 or even 3:26. Maybe with Nuguse in tow. Wavelights and pacemakers to draft behind would theoretically lead to a fast time as that is one of Ingebrigtsen's best racing environments.
If he can run 3:29 when sick, 3:27-3:28 is probably his norm when healthy, with 3:26 on his best days. 3:25 only on a perfect day. He's probably holding back a little because of the presumed HM on Sunday. I also agree with Ingebrigtsen that it's best not to hype up every 1500 he runs in as a "world record attempt" as that dilutes the impressiveness of El G's 3:26.00. He also admits that the 1500 world record will certainly be the hardest one for him since he's better suited for 3K and 5K.
.......better suited for 3K and 5K.........: Yes, but best suited for the HM!
These guys are all past their peak, unless Ingy's way of training through most of the season will let up and let him truly physically peak.
But none of these guys are at their mental peak for the 1500m after the craziness of Paris. Maybe someone like Nuguse is still hungry. Hocker is still riding the high. They need some downtown.
Ingy is probably gonna win it, but I would highly highly doubt sub 3:27.
Still it just shows how impressive Ingy SOLO'ING a 3:28.24 after rounds is.
I agree. While 3:30.00 is still a respectable pace, it seems a bit slow for a Diamond League final that has two pacers to draft behind & wavelights, in a year when one guy has run 3:26 and three guys have run 3:27 (eight under 3:30). End of season in an Olympic year though, so it's understandable why everyone's tired.
While Ingebrigtsen will most likely break 3:30 in this race (with or without faster wavelights), that wave light pace seems slow for his style of racing which is typically go straight to the front at a fast pace. Not necessarily as fast as El G pace, but still hard enough to string out the field. 3:30 seems like the field would be too bunched together.
While I agree that the chances for a WR are extremely slim especially since Jakob himself stated in the press conference it was unlikely (but still "possible"), he probably should still capitalize on current fitness to run another 3:27 or even 3:26. Maybe with Nuguse in tow. Wavelights and pacemakers to draft behind would theoretically lead to a fast time as that is one of Ingebrigtsen's best racing environments.
If he can run 3:29 when sick, 3:27-3:28 is probably his norm when healthy, with 3:26 on his best days. 3:25 only on a perfect day. He's probably holding back a little because of the presumed HM on Sunday. I also agree with Ingebrigtsen that it's best not to hype up every 1500 he runs in as a "world record attempt" as that dilutes the impressiveness of El G's 3:26.00. He also admits that the 1500 world record will certainly be the hardest one for him since he's better suited for 3K and 5K.
The only person that is currently capable of chasing Jakob going out in 2:46 is Nuguse rn and Jakob knows that. He also knows that for a ton of the top guys they are just trying to get under 3:29-3:30 and call it a season. That is what he will do to win, and then gear up for the HM in Copenhagen
Maybe I am in the minority here, or missed something, but I cannot believe they are even having pace lights set for a Championship race at all. I guess this was or is the practice, but I would be on the other side of this concept.
I agree, but I don't consider this a championship. It's the marquee event of the dominant track and field series. It's got more stringent qualifying standards and bigger prizes. But it's not a championship.
Why does everyone forget that Jakob missed 3 months of training in his buildup this year? I agree everything has to be perfect for him and he will probably only barely get the record if he does, but 3:26.73 clearly is not his limit. Everyone keeps saying "he can't run much faster" and he continues to run faster every year, chipping away incrementally. I think 2025/2026 will be his last chance to do it though, if he doesn't have any injuries in the next year I think he will do it in Monaco next year and finally get the monkey off his back.
So you think 3 months was the difference between the ability to go after the WR in the 1500 or not? So by that theory what should he have run in the 3000m a few weeks ago given the loss of those 3 months? 7.14? This is not the way it works - honestly those 3 months off were probably a god-send for him given his incredible volume of high performance racing this guy does and at his age and ability the bounce-back to form doesn't take long at all and no, I don't think 3 months of base work affected his long term ceiling at all.
While I don't disagree with you that 3.26.73 is his limit I do think he is approaching it. And I think we are talking 2-3 tenths and not closer to the 7 or 8 tenths he needs for the 1500m record. To break this record he simply has to be 2.45.5 at 1200m at the absolute slowest - he does not have sub 40 ability over 2.46.X like El G did (that's fine, they were totally different runners) and as he gets quicker through 1200m, these low 40.X closes (40.36 in Monaco, 40.32 in Silesia - see the pattern?) are going to be stretched more in to the 40.5/6 range. This means totally unchartered territory for him at 1200m which we haven't even seen him even remotely entertain yet. This is going to require him to get out much faster than 55.8, 1.51.0 but we saw what happened in Paris when he attempted something closer to 55.0.
Someone else wrote he isn't really "equipped" to do this and honestly people getting upset at that are more upset with the terminology than the reality because it's not really incorrect. Jakob is not an anaerobic power guy - he doesn't have the anaerobic threshold profile of even guys like Cram, Coe - even Morceli, El G which is why he isn't ballistic over 800m, but his ability to run just below his threshold (which is still incredibly good) for sustained distances is historically unmatched. In the same way Jakob is "better equipped" to run a 3000m than an 800m, what this 1500m requires could not quite align with that and I simply have no idea why people are so defensive about it - it's not a damn criticism of the guy.
He himself claims his best distance is half marathon and worst distance 1500m. Jakob has 2 monkeys on his back that he wants to get off more than anything. Gold medal at Worlds and Olympics in the 1500m and WR in the 1500m. Those are his biggest challenges. All other distances he is the King. I don't see a WR happening but he is known to downplay what he wants sometimes. We will see by what the pacer runs today. My guess it is a 3:27.0 to 3:28.5 race
So you think 3 months was the difference between the ability to go after the WR in the 1500 or not? So by that theory what should he have run in the 3000m a few weeks ago given the loss of those 3 months? 7.14? This is not the way it works - honestly those 3 months off were probably a god-send for him given his incredible volume of high performance racing this guy does and at his age and ability the bounce-back to form doesn't take long at all and no, I don't think 3 months of base work affected his long term ceiling at all.
While I don't disagree with you that 3.26.73 is his limit I do think he is approaching it. And I think we are talking 2-3 tenths and not closer to the 7 or 8 tenths he needs for the 1500m record. To break this record he simply has to be 2.45.5 at 1200m at the absolute slowest - he does not have sub 40 ability over 2.46.X like El G did (that's fine, they were totally different runners) and as he gets quicker through 1200m, these low 40.X closes (40.36 in Monaco, 40.32 in Silesia - see the pattern?) are going to be stretched more in to the 40.5/6 range. This means totally unchartered territory for him at 1200m which we haven't even seen him even remotely entertain yet. This is going to require him to get out much faster than 55.8, 1.51.0 but we saw what happened in Paris when he attempted something closer to 55.0.
Someone else wrote he isn't really "equipped" to do this and honestly people getting upset at that are more upset with the terminology than the reality because it's not really incorrect. Jakob is not an anaerobic power guy - he doesn't have the anaerobic threshold profile of even guys like Cram, Coe - even Morceli, El G which is why he isn't ballistic over 800m, but his ability to run just below his threshold (which is still incredibly good) for sustained distances is historically unmatched. In the same way Jakob is "better equipped" to run a 3000m than an 800m, what this 1500m requires could not quite align with that and I simply have no idea why people are so defensive about it - it's not a damn criticism of the guy.
He himself claims his best distance is half marathon and worst distance 1500m. Jakob has 2 monkeys on his back that he wants to get off more than anything. Gold medal at Worlds and Olympics in the 1500m and WR in the 1500m. Those are his biggest challenges. All other distances he is the King. I don't see a WR happening but he is known to downplay what he wants sometimes. We will see by what the pacer runs today. My guess it is a 3:27.0 to 3:28.5 race
He already has an olympic gold in the 1500 (don't know why so many people seems to forget it, it was a beautiful race).
I think he has 3 monkeys on his back, in order of importance (and difficulty, but maybe the second is now more difficult than the first, discus) : - 1500m WR - 1500m WC gold - mile WR (i think he will really try too, it'd be a gap in his resume if he doesn't)
I hope he gets it all next year and then he will be free, and do whatever he wants (Cross country WC, WR attempts in the 5000m and above, road races, etc.).
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