One of these athletes is >15 seconds faster over a mile:
Folksam (Sweden) Grand Prix 8/21
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One of these athletes is >15sec faster over a mile (in gif):
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Coach Timmons observation wrote:
One of these athletes is >15sec faster over a mile (in gif):
Kipyegon so efficiently motors along; almost pure propulsion forward.
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Coach Timmons observation wrote:
Coach Timmons observation wrote:
One of these athletes is >15sec faster over a mile (in gif):
Kipyegon so efficiently motors along; almost pure propulsion forward.
Looking at Olivia in that Sweden race was true beauty in motion. So smooth compared to everyone else in that race
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Not sure the point you are trying to make since it's such a poor comparison - 1) Faith leading and opening up; Olivia holding back behind someone 2) Faith at the pinnacle of her career, Olivia just getting started 3) Faith in her prime event and Olivia stepping down to the mile.
If you watch that last 20 second race video of Olivia yesterday she looked like she was cruising and did not open up until the last 50M. 4:24.0 was not a full effort for her.
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Silliness wrote:
Not sure the point you are trying to make since it's such a poor comparison - 1) Faith leading and opening up; Olivia holding back behind someone 2) Faith at the pinnacle of her career, Olivia just getting started 3) Faith in her prime event and Olivia stepping down to the mile.
If you watch that last 20 second race video of Olivia yesterday she looked like she was cruising and did not open up until the last 50M. 4:24.0 was not a full effort for her.
^ This.
now let’s compare Hurta and Faith for a real eye opener.😉100 -
rbtrackfan wrote:
Coach Timmons observation wrote:
Looking at her in the side-view clip posted earlier (she comes into view at the tail-end) with 210m to go, she was working wide open, while Markezich was still cruising waiting to kick at that point.
With her current fitness, I wonder how many more seconds faster Markezich would finish in a faster-paced race. She surprised me. We might see her in DL this season, yes?
I would hope Markezich could get into a DL 3000s (maybe Rome?). A sub 4 1500 would seem too quick for her to me at this point.
One can also see the strain on Tuohy's face in the last 150, and with about 50 to go her head drops.
I agree, but after recent results from Kazimierska and Ramsden in races with 3:5X runners leading the way, I wonder if Markezich could similarly drop something in the 4:01--4:03 range. We probably won't find out this summer unless she runs the 1500 in Rome instead of the 3000SC.
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Coach Timmons mechanics observing wrote:
Coach Timmons mechanics observing wrote:
Steeple is brutal.
Gabs Jennings ran a 4:23 PB over the weekend. She is about to run a British Milers Club 800m today!
It is going off soon (~14:10 EST). If you have a runnerspace account (I don’t), you can watch it here:
Jennings set a huge 800m PB yesterday, running 2:01, finishing ahead of Katie Snowden and Corey McGee.
Maybe will we see Markezich meet her on the start line for the steeplechase in Rome.
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Silliness wrote:
Not sure the point you are trying to make since it's such a poor comparison - 1) Faith leading and opening up; Olivia holding back behind someone 2) Faith at the pinnacle of her career, Olivia just getting started 3) Faith in her prime event and Olivia stepping down to the mile.
If you watch that last 20 second race video of Olivia yesterday she looked like she was cruising and did not open up until the last 50M. 4:24.0 was not a full effort for her.
Anyone reading the thread would immediately realize I was the first to give Markezich kudos for what she achieved yesterday.
My post was for educational purposes, which some will appreciate, and others, for whatever reason, not so much.
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Coach Timmons follow-up wrote:
Coach Timmons mechanics observing wrote:
It is going off soon (~14:10 EST). If you have a runnerspace account (I don’t), you can watch it here:
Jennings set a huge 800m PB yesterday, running 2:01, finishing ahead of Katie Snowden and Corey McGee.
Maybe will we see Markezich meet her on the start line for the steeplechase in Rome.
Jennings (and more) but no Markezich listed for Rome 3000s
https://rome.diamondleague.com/programma-risultati/programma-risultati-roma/
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Coach Timmons observation wrote:
Coach Timmons observation wrote:
All four of those on the same team training together in Boulder (Ramsden, Markezich, Sage and Andrews) could be special.
…if Ritz can keep them from one-stepping and destroying each other. He was using lactate measurements in a recent McDonald workout. I don’t know how long they have been using that tool, but maybe it will help in metering/throttling efforts going forward.
Since last fall, per a Coffee Club podcast back in January when the boiz had Jakob and Henrik on for a long-distance interview. Morgan confirmed OAC had begun doing lactate testing.
However, Ritz is still reluctant to adapt the Norwegian Double-T-based training protocol. Still believes in single long, hard sessions. With the concomitant mixed results of fantastic performances coupled with debilitating injuries.
Morgan, Ollie and Geordie frequently compliment each other, saying "you really crushed that workout."
In contrast, I have never heard/read Mike Scannell mention that Grant "crushed" a workout. Nor do I recall the Ingebrigtsen brothers ever mentioning Jakob "crushing" a workout.
So, agree it would be in OAC's best interests for Ritz to take stock of what's happened this year and make the necessary adjustments starting this fall, including "throttling back" from time to time.
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rbtrackfan wrote:
Coach Timmons follow-up wrote:
Jennings set a huge 800m PB yesterday, running 2:01, finishing ahead of Katie Snowden and Corey McGee.
Maybe will we see Markezich meet her on the start line for the steeplechase in Rome.
Jennings (and more) but no Markezich listed for Rome 3000s
Aside from the three spots given to host country athletes, the Rome W 3000SC field is nearly as stacked as the Paris final. Maybe Markezich couldn't get into this one.
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Fan Out West X wrote:
Coach Timmons observation wrote:
…if Ritz can keep them from one-stepping and destroying each other. He was using lactate measurements in a recent McDonald workout. I don’t know how long they have been using that tool, but maybe it will help in metering/throttling efforts going forward.
Since last fall, per a Coffee Club podcast back in January when the boiz had Jakob and Henrik on for a long-distance interview. Morgan confirmed OAC had begun doing lactate testing.
However, Ritz is still reluctant to adapt the Norwegian Double-T-based training protocol. Still believes in single long, hard sessions. With the concomitant mixed results of fantastic performances coupled with debilitating injuries.
Morgan, Ollie and Geordie frequently compliment each other, saying "you really crushed that workout."
In contrast, I have never heard/read Mike Scannell mention that Grant "crushed" a workout. Nor do I recall the Ingebrigtsen brothers ever mentioning Jakob "crushing" a workout.
So, agree it would be in OAC's best interests for Ritz to take stock of what's happened this year and make the necessary adjustments starting this fall, including "throttling back" from time to time.
In my view, there is one key similarity in the philosophy (approach) that both Fisher’s coach Scannell and Ryun’s coach Timmons subscribe to in the dynamic between the Pro-Athlete and their coach. Do you know what I’m referring to?
I’ll provide a hint. I’ve seen repeated comments on this board that somehow, Ritz’s training is the reason for the OAC injuries.
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Coach Timmons retort wrote:
Fan Out West X wrote:
Since last fall, per a Coffee Club podcast back in January when the boiz had Jakob and Henrik on for a long-distance interview. Morgan confirmed OAC had begun doing lactate testing.
However, Ritz is still reluctant to adapt the Norwegian Double-T-based training protocol. Still believes in single long, hard sessions. With the concomitant mixed results of fantastic performances coupled with debilitating injuries.
Morgan, Ollie and Geordie frequently compliment each other, saying "you really crushed that workout."
In contrast, I have never heard/read Mike Scannell mention that Grant "crushed" a workout. Nor do I recall the Ingebrigtsen brothers ever mentioning Jakob "crushing" a workout.
So, agree it would be in OAC's best interests for Ritz to take stock of what's happened this year and make the necessary adjustments starting this fall, including "throttling back" from time to time.
In my view, there is one key similarity in the philosophy (approach) that both Fisher’s coach Scannell and Ryun’s coach Timmons subscribe to in the dynamic between the Pro-Athlete and their coach. Do you know what I’m referring to?
I’ll provide a hint. I’ve seen repeated comments on this board that somehow, Ritz’s training is the reason for the OAC injuries.
So it is not the Ritz training, per se, that is responsible for the injuries. but possibly what is missing is the dynamic (philosophical approach) I refer to above, which Scannell and Timmons subscribe to.
I don’t know enough about the details of the OAC setup and Ritz’s coaching philosophy, in that respect. But because it may be lacking is why we get all of these comments regarding the reasons (Ritz’s training) for the OAC injuries. What is the basis for those comments, and are they consistent with what the coffee-club message presents?
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Coach Timmons retort wrote:
Coach Timmons retort wrote:
In my view, there is one key similarity in the philosophy (approach) that both Fisher’s coach Scannell and Ryun’s coach Timmons subscribe to in the dynamic between the Pro-Athlete and their coach. Do you know what I’m referring to?
I’ll provide a hint. I’ve seen repeated comments on this board that somehow, Ritz’s training is the reason for the OAC injuries.
So it is not the Ritz training, per se, that is responsible for the injuries. but possibly what is missing is the dynamic (philosophical approach) I refer to above, which Scannell and Timmons subscribe to.
I don’t know enough about the details of the OAC setup and Ritz’s coaching philosophy, in that respect. But because it may be lacking is why we get all of these comments regarding the reasons (Ritz’s training) for the OAC injuries. What is the basis for those comments, and are they consistent with what the coffee-club message presents?
I ask the last question out of curiosity, since I’m not a deep follower of coffee-club podcast, but I’m aware the reasoning from Beamish on his injury was that his bronchitis led to him not sleeping well, which led to him not recovering properly.
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Coach Timmons observation wrote:
Mocazilla wrote:
Wonder how it feels to lose to your two new teammates who just finished college.
Hurta-Klecker ran a 4:19 earlier this month. She does not look as smooth as Olivia, but can crank some decent times when she is on.
All four of those on the same team training together in Boulder (Ramsden, Markezich, Sage and Andrews) could be special.
OAC also has Sinta Vissa who I think has the fastest 1500 PR of the group. Ritz has a super strong group of women to train together in Boulder!
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Sinta too! wrote:
Coach Timmons observation wrote:
Hurta-Klecker ran a 4:19 earlier this month. She does not look as smooth as Olivia, but can crank some decent times when she is on.
All four of those on the same team training together in Boulder (Ramsden, Markezich, Sage and Andrews) could be special.
OAC also has Sinta Vissa who I think has the fastest 1500 PR of the group. Ritz has a super strong group of women to train together in Boulder!
I think Olivia runs another 1500m soon, with Vissa:
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