Why I don’t really care about the Mens 1500m Results despite the top 3 doing really well

What I learned from this race was that Jakob underestimated the strength of his opponents. That's all. He thought he could break everyone with a suicidal pace. He was wrong.

So many replies yet little attempts to actually counter my points and evidence.

Here's a counter. Nuguse ran the whole race on the outside and wasn't completely sheltered from the wind so he ran 10+ meters farther than Jakob and still dusted him at the end. Hocker had to slam on the brakes and reaccelerate and still beat Kerr. Both of those are more impressive than completely missing a medal as the defending champion and biggest trash talker.

There's nothing to counter you weirdo lmao you're just gargling Jakob's nuts, what do you want people to do? Keep gargling lil bro

your post makes no sense.

Mother of God what are you saying?

Jakob's race strategy going into the race was fine. Take the run out of everyone and hold on. The problem was that he didn't execute it right and found himself in a world of hurt after 2 laps.

“I opened with a 54-second lap. That wasn’t the plan at all. It was at least two seconds too fast. I was thinking about slowing down, but the next lap was almost the same speed. I ruined it for myself by going way too hard."

This is a HUGE choke-job by an experienced championship runner, and it should've never happened. His quote above is spot-on and I'm glad he owned it. He's gonna wear this one until 2028, if he runs the 1500m. I'm thinking he'll move up to the 5000/10,000 by then.

Kerr ran great and did all he could do, Hocker ran great and caught a break with Jakob swinging too wide (Oh Well!). Nuguse also ran great, he just didn't have speed to close it out.

OP seems like the kind of person that gets dumped by someone he went on 3 Hinge dates with then incessantly texts her about how he doesn't care. maybe even a powerpoint of how hard he worked for her and bullet points describing why she's wrong for spurning him

This just isn't true. The Josh Kerr won't be remembered for his silver medal this year, the only, at least not to he level that Jakob will be remembered for leading the race like this. The only reason cole hocker was able to win this type of race was because of jakob. People will rememeber it. I had thought Cole Hocker was capable of medaling maybe getting silver in any type of race, i wasn't expecting gold to be honest. People will remember that too, but they will remember how it occured as well. When people think about the 2016 rio olympics they don't think about who got bronze and silver, they think about how the race was led and how it unravled tactically.

Jakob has run 3:26.7. It wasn’t crazy for him to think he could go front run a 3:26.xx, and to think that would be enough to win

But he didn’t have it. And the field surprised him

one thing for sure that’s a courageous attempt

Everyone dogging Jakob's strategy but I think running from the front and trying to take some gas out of the comp was the right move. On the final turn there was a moment where Hocker could have made a move to the outside of Kerr. Had he done so Kerr could easily have ended up boxed in, but Hocker having to run those extra few steps may have not had enough to pass Jakob. Jakob was clearly gassed but he also pulled up the last 20m or so, making the final times not a true reflection of how close it could have been among the top 4.

Nope. Hocker was running to win the whole time. As soon as he made the move to reattach to Nuguse and Kessler you knew he was seriously competing. He knew his best bet was to outkick everyone but that he had to challenge himself to stay close enough for that to matter. That move, and the timing of it, was probably the most critical tactic in the race for him.

Haylom with
"quite possibly one of the greatest achievements ever in athletics history." 2:02.9 (WR PACE!!!) at 800 and still wins!

That's got to surpass the great JI... right???

Context always matters when you want to sensibly compare measurements. I do not claim that Ingy's race in this final was more impressive than Hocker's race. Results and times are two different stories. When reasoning about the results / medals, the case is almost always that the athlete who crossed the line first was the best athlete that day, and the winner certainly ran the best race. Hocker ran the best race in the final.

When comparing times hower, you have to acknowledge the laws of physics, as well as the physiology and psychology that goes into an effort. There is research on both the pure physical advantage of aero drafting as well as the psychological advantage of chasing.

The person I replied to however, started comparing the times of this race towards the all time greats. Their argument is that because one guy ran 9th fastest time ever and Jakob only the 25th fastest time ever, then Jakob's effort was less impressive. Hocker's race is more impressive not (only) because his time is faster than Jakob's, but because he crossed the line first with an epic kick (same for the other medalists).

Jakob's time is still very impressive in the context that he front ran it, while Hocker ran his time off of drafting. So when we're comparing the times themselves and ignoring the race result, my argument is that front running a 28:27 is more impressive than tucking + kicking a 27.65. Jakob behind a pacer has run almost a full second faster than Hocker, and his frontrunning a 28.24 indicates close to 26.00 level with pacing. WR is of course WR. If someone matched the WR without pacers, it would be a more impressive time than if they had pacers (but that's not possible for anyone atm). In the race you're mentioning with El G and Lagat, I agree that Lagat' time is impressive, but El G's time there is more impressive because he's in front.

In conclusion: I think Hocker ran a more impressive race (he won gold!), but there is an argument that Jakob's time is just as impressive (or more) when considering how the athletes ran to their times. This is a race and not a time trial, therefore we must think abouhow.

You've stated an opinion that is illogical and you've gotten plenty of counter arguments that are rational but you refuse to accept them. I can't believe this thread is on its 6th page; it should have withered on the vine on the first page.

Cole Hocker can’t hear you….his gold medal is ringing too loud in his ear!

Uh I'd say Cole Hocker had a far more impressive race than Jakob.

First of all, he won. Gold medal vs 4th place is always much more impressive.

Secondly he ran a much smarter race, I think he was back in like 9th at 1 lap, and then gradually moved up the field until he blasted to victory, way more impressive than trying to break the field from the start and finishing 4th.

Third, Jakob is faster than Hocker, and yet Hocker beat Jakob, and with a huge PR, so that is far more impressive than what Jakob did, not running a PR and finishing off the podium.

Fourth, Hocker got cut off by Jakob with 100m right when Hocker was trying to throw in that last absolutely devastating kick to take the lead. Instead he had to slow down, speed back up, watching for an opening, and then absolutely blast it in with less distance to the tape and still managed to do it, passing Jakob and Kerr for gold. Super impressive and way more impressive than Jakob running hard and then fading.

Snowflakes, facts are that Jakob got 4th, his tactics failed or he screwed up his tactics, and the most impressive race was the guy that ran smart from start to finish blew by Jakob and Kerr to win Gold with a huge PR after getting boxed in and being forced to slow down with only 100m left.

To Hasharima, if you think context matters, do you think the context of what shoes the runners wear, the tracks they run on, wavelights in paced races, and seeing as your a Jakob femboy, how do you consider Jakob's superior double threshold training into the context? I would think that if you believe Jakob to be the GOAT and for his training to be better than the training El G did he would have to run faster than just 3:25.99. Would he have to run 3:25.5? 3:25.00? Under 3:25?

I don't think context matters, if Jakob runs 3:25.99 I would think of him as the fastest of all time, even though he would be using wavelights and better shoes than the shoes El G used, and I don't think Jakob's femboys would care about the context than either.

Does that make Centro the greatest 1500 runner of all time since he led the whole race in 2016?

Thanks for summarizing what I said!!!!