Jakob post-race: "I think I'm going to win both [1500m and 5000m] in Paris, BUT I really need a flawless next 2 months"

The thing is that a 3:27 frontrunner is always going to have problems with a 3:28 guy(which Kerr is definitely atleast worth on his best days)who has a better kick in unpaced championship races. Realistically, Jakob needs to be probably close to WR shape to be able to snap the tether in a championship race, which is hard to see happening. This is always the issue for endurance based 1500 guys(they are one dimensional 1500 runners) they have to be so much faster than the next guy to win.

But I think the crux is Josh Kerr, I think his two mile might have given him too much confidence on his strength as we seen yesterday with the early attacking(yes he won but that might not be a good thing) as I don't believe Jakob will be as vulnerable to that come Paris. Kerr needs to play to his advantages and that's his closing speed off a fast pace. The 200 out attack looks ideal as usual with Jakob frontrunning. And neither can afford to let the pace slack too much as Wightman will be lurking.

So I think the final ultimately lays in Kerrs hands as I don't see Jakob being able to frontrun them off. If Kerr trusts his closing speed, he wins. If he tries to attack early, Jakob wins and if they both slack off the pace, Wightman wins.(sorry Nuguse fans)

Wrong.

Everyone in the Paris 1500m that has a chance to medal, will push themselves to their absolute limit. Jordan would step off the track, 200 meters into the race.

The Jordan stuff is a myth anyway. Many other players just as hard as he did, and want the ball when the game is on the line. Jordan didn’t invent the concept of wanting to win a game.

You should stick with your area of expertise, which is accusing everyone, and their brother, of doping.

Jordan was one of the most competitive athletes in the history of sport. His team-mates, competitors and everyone who closely followed the game knew that. To liken Ingebrigtsen to him shows you aren't one of them.

Kerr admited what he did was not tactically smart, so I do not think he's going to do that in an Olympic final. He has enough confidence that he's the best kicker off a fast pace, and he knows Jakob NEEDS a fast pace to guarantee himself a medal. Therefore, the optimal strategy for Kerr is to sit and kick. But this experience only helped him as it boosted his confidence and it shows he can beat Jakob in a different way. And in the case that either Jakob doesn't make it to the final due to injury, or for some reason doesn't push the pace, Kerr will need to be ready to take matters into his own hands.

That is absolute nonsense. People look at a great athlete and want to attribute their success to some intangible other than incredible talent, and Jordan was the most talented basketball player that ever lived.

You don’t think players like Bird, Johnson, Russell and thousand of other athletes weren’t every bit as competitive? Anyone with Jordan’s incredible talent would accomplish the exact same things. He looked extra competitive, because with his incredible athleticism, height and jumping ability, he could shoot a jumper in any game, in any situation, that had a good chance of going in. When other teams would put two guys on him to try and stop him, he would often kick out the ball to someone like Kerr, for a wide open 3-pointer.

You would think that Jordan, with his incredible strength of mind, would raise his game during the post-season, but his playoff FG percentage was .487, compared to .497 for the regular season.

Arguments based on “everyone knows”, insult people’s intelligence.

That video on exemplified Jakob's resolve. Only like 18 but with a lap to go he went for the win. He could have medaled but he went for gold. What guts. It reminded me of Pre in the 72 Olympics. But what was more striking about these World's was after the 1500m. He was clearly still gassed from that 5 k, yet he finished 4th right out of the medals, and his interview after. He was disappointed and in Jakob confidence said that people beat him who were not better than him, but he has to show that on the track. And after this race he surely did. I love this 5k, because it says all you need to know about what he has become.

Listen to what other bball greats have to say about why Jordan was the best, instead of listening to yourself. He was relentless in his quest to win, and pushed everybody and their mother around him to achieve that goal. Jordan's tolerance for losing was lower than others'. He was consistent in his relentless drive and it resulted in consistently great execution.

I agree he built his success on drive and guts. But that was a time when he knew he had a lot of room for improvement (nothing to lose). Motivation is a more costly and rare commodity when you've made it. The cockiness is hurting him now because the success got to his head and there is a sense of entitlement that translates to it being a "given" that he is the best, when it's something he has to keep proving with medals. He wants to go out as the GOAT and for him to do that he must rectify his back to back WC losses and now next guy Kerr has become a serious problem.

If Jakob can run faster than anyone by himself then it doesn't matter that someone has a better kick. Think about for a sec. That's why his vulnerability is getting sick, the reason he lost the WC last year was because he couldn't run under 3:29 by himself. Period.

Now to this year he will probably need to be able to run 3:27:00-3:27:50 by himself, after running a heat + semi final in the same week, so he will need to be in 3:26 low shape.
That's why he needs a flawless next 2 months.

You don’t believe the three guys that beat Pre in 1972 weren’t just as tough? Virin also went for the Gold.

Pre also believed the myth that he won because he was the toughest runner. It was odd that he always won domestically, but rarely worked in Europe.

I think Jakob and the other top athletes care a lot about the Olympics and WC’s. -They simple have to -if Jakob doesn’t win a WC 1500m he will be belittled by the haters the rest of his life. It’s just how the world is, and he knows it…

Saying that, I nevertheless side with “snowflakes” -Champs are often too coincidental when it comes to a superb performance that could define your potential as an athlete. Therefore Jakob winning back to back 1500m Olympic gold means very little to me (aside from the prestige, that is merely a formal thing, and therefore not properly real). -Kerr could break one of his legs in a car crash two days before the games, (or simply getting sick), and Wightman would maybe be just a little late in his endurance work to not being spent after heat and semis, and Nuguse maybe a sec to slow. Jakob would then maybe get an easy win -but does that make him an all time great (because of two golds in same event)? Of course not -you are not an all time great if it’s easy. You are great if you run fast!

Coe isn’t an all time great, IMO, in the 1500m -but he was in the 800m despite (only) two silver medals in Oly there. And Herb Elliott isn’t great because of his Olympics win by 3 sec -If I was him I would preferred silver in 3.35 to a pb win in 3.38… -Running is up against our own weaknesses and potential, not a random other person… A runners task is to become the best version of himself -if that makes you the best in your time span that’s just coincidental and random. One can be the second best in one’s heat, and nevertheless the second best through all times, and endless better than all the winners in the past..!

Have you read Ovett’s autobiography, and what he says there about Coe’s post race sayings..?

Yeah and what you describe is simply not gonna happen.

An excuse is just an explanation if you don’t give others the blame. My own excuse is that I was an idiot, and didn’t know how to train properly. And Wightman’s excuse in the last Olympics was that he didn’t have enough strength for heats, semis and final. So did Wightman’s excuse make him a weak cry baby -not at all! -It made him to a guy who worked on his strength and therefore won the WC 2022! Same with Jakob -his “excuse” for not winning against Jake was that he let him pass with 250m left of the race. So when Kerr came one year later Jakob successfully denied him passing before the home straight (where he nevertheless was out run by Kerr, but you get my point…).

Have you watched the post race interviews? -Jakob clearly acknowledges that Kerr is the current best miler, and that he won the race in a very good way..!

I didn't say that it was ONLY Jordan's competitiveness that made him what he was, and not his talent or anything else. I didn't say his competitiveness of attitude was a sufficient condition to his success but that it was a necessary one. It is always the dullards who misconstrue the argument. The comparison was between the competitive steel that Jordan showed and Jakob. Jakob can't match Jordan for that. Whatever his talent, he's a whiny loser.

What would you be without your insults?

He didn't. He referred to Kerr not "chickening out" - as though that was something he could be expected to do. Your partiality to Jakob makes you blind to what he openly displays.