Another Kenyan busted

You are like a parrot. You repeat the same things every day, and add nothing to the discussion.

rekrunner, thank you for your detailed post. PED Powered Kenyans, thank you for the link.

I see it: yet another doped Kenyan.

He stated what's the topic of this thread. As far as I know, he never ever has tried to put it in this direction. You are just a liar. And stupid. Dangerous combination.

We need to start to acknowlege that this isn't just an instance of yet ANOTHER Kenyan busted, but that the Kenyan drug problem is hurting all of our sport.

The next cycle of trying to get into the 2028 Olympics requires a 2:06:30 marathon? Why? In what reasonable world is that a time to have as your qualification? Because we live in a world where the top Kenyan and Ethiopian have deformed the times at the top so dramatically, that the qualification time is now faster than most country's (not all, but most) national records. That is the only reason to move the goal posts from 2:08 to 2:06.

Our sport is dying at the elite level in terms of interest (while the sport is thriving at the participation level, which is a whole different divide) because we have unreal times, poor media coverage most of the time, and an army of men and women who run so inhumanly fast that the whole "competition" part of the sport, some would say the best part of hte sport, has been left behind a phalanx of "pacers" and long time trials.

We know that East Africa has a PED problem, just like we know that Russia has a PED problem. And so do other nations, no question there, and there is no reason to derail the convo with "well, so does (UK, USA, Morocco, etc.) because we all know that is true as well. Here the problem is compounded by the fact that the marathon has become an event, against all odds and certainly beyond what anyone would have imagined in the '70's, the mass event and the most televised. And with the PED issues at the top of this sport, and the lack of great competition/only fast times as a focal point has truly created an entire sport problem. Currently, the two things cannot be separated.

You only see when it is pointed out. Anyone who agrees with rekrunner sees nothing.

He thought the subject of the thread is only about one Kenyan doper - as though there aren't any others. That you defend his rubbish puts you in the same camp. Record-breaking stupidity.

Many athletes dope, I know this not just since Ben Johnson.

Anyone who thanks rekrunner is a witless dupe and another Kenyan doping denier. These threads on Kenyan doping - which never end - certainly draw them.

You are preaching to the deaf and the blind.

It isn't just that many dope - most of them in distance running now are Kenyans, as the continuous stream of busts shows.

It is.

For sure this guy is part of an bigger issue - which was discussed in this forum hundreds of times.

Then - as another poster said - so what, about one doper and one particular drug. Kenyan doping isn't about individuals anymore or this or that drug - doping is systemic to their sporting culture. Every thread on Kenyan doping now is a litany of corruption and shame. But by focusing on one doper and one specific drug rekrunner hopes to avoid seeing its context, which is that the sport as a whole in Kenya is rotten.

I have often disagreed with rekrunner but he is intelligent, polite, eager to learn, and he presents his views supported by facts. The opposite of you.

He never denied doping, he has often said that he believes/knows there are PEDs. You lying about it doesn't change facts.

You can't even quote me correctly. Dishonest as usual.

"He thought the subject of the thread is only about one Kenyan doper - as though there aren't any others."

Your insults are puerile. Your intelligence is at the same level.

This post of yours has just reinforced what I wrote. You are dumb, you are rude, you refuse to learn, and your views are supported by your ignorance.

Keep the insults coming. I am sure you need to do this to feel better about your empty life.

Which means almost all of the rest are clean. You are a doping denier-

You're welcome.

Don't be too hard on yourself.

I'll point out that in the subject line, "Kenyan" is singular. This thread is about this one Kenyan marathoner provisionally suspended by the AIU for the presence of Trimetazidine. There were many other threads about many other Kenyans (plural).

Nevertheless, my very first post acknowledged "increased testing/doping" "in Kenya" -- that applies to the whole country. I'm not sure what more can be said that hasn't been said already, by you, and by the AIU and WADA. The AIU told us the increased busts are part of the solution, not the problem.

The rest of my posts were not about any single Kenyan, but about Trimetazidine, a drug that has been available for 60 years, and only banned 10 years ago, for reasons that remain mysterious. If you prefer, even this line of inquiry includes about a half-dozen Kenyans over the last two years.