Who is Brian Komen?

Soaly? 🤣🤣🤣

Olympic Gold candidate? Because of a DL win in 3:32.43? Not much faith in your homeboy, it seems.

So, what enables Komen to reach such a level of performance which in most countries not a single runner in history has gotten to? After such a short period of serious training? For sure, doping, solely doping and only doping. He would run just 4 minutes, but a few pills unknown in the rest of the world enables him to run close to 3:30 (is it true)?

What about you really care about his concrete background? Maybe Canove can help even more.

Maybe it's just true that the all-around conditions for Komen are totally different from the ones your beloved Brits have? Maybe he actually DID run to and from school every day? Maybe up to age 20 he has run more kilometers than a lacy guy like you ever will in his life? Maybe he grew up in high altitude? Maybe his genetics are more sufficient for 1500m running than yours? To use the words of your letsrun friend no. 1, you are such an simpleton.

Maybe all that could be true.

But another definite possibility is that his improvement has at least been in part due to doping, given how common it seems to be among people from his country.

Also, the 'pills' are not 'unknown in the rest of the world'. They inject EPO and without quite extensive bio-passport testing, you don't have to actually take much care in order to dope like that risk free.

So, if those "pills" are not unknown in the rest of the world and actually are also used in the rest of the world - than we have to look for other explanations for such an fast reaching of a level of performance not reached in most countries EVER.

For sure it's possible that Komen has doped.

Look at the downvotes, just when Hoady replies...

Get a life Hoady.

A few current 1500m NRs

Indonisia (275 Million) - 3:46.21

Vietnam (99 Million) - 3:45.31

Nigeria (221 Million, has a current WR) - 3:42.85

Colombia (52 Million) - 3:41.99

Bulgaria (7 Million, still has a WR) - 3:39.53

Jamaica (3 Million - enormous success in sprinting) - 3:39.19

China (1.4 Billion, trying hard for many years) - 3:36.49

India (1.4 Billion, currently rapidly improving) - 3:35.24

Cuba (11 Million, enormous success in jumping)- 3:35.03

Now look at Komen's rapid reaching of 3:32 (probably can run faster later in the year). Main reason is doping for you, Dopesepp?

When you think you have seen it all...

I think it's pretty much proven that Kenyans in distance running dope at a higher rate than a lot of other nations, given that even with very basic dope testing they drop like flies.

Seems weird that we have to pretend that a country like Kenya with their hundreds of drug busts dopes at the same level of countries that only have a handful in history.

If you have the answers about his training, then just answer the question. Do you have a more accurate window into his lifetime background of training? Maybe you saw 12 months somewhere else. I didn't accuse you of lying again.

Now, where does "close to sub-3:30" come from? He ran 3:32.43 and 3:32.29 (altitude corrected at "runworks" to 3:31.7).

If Canova said "last year" in a quote posted "last year", Komen will have had specific training and competitive racing for 2 years now.

Why do you always try to lump yourself in with "most people"?

You know, if even ThoughtsLeader is accusing you of derailing threads now, maybe it's time you, as well as the mods, finally paid attention.

Nordas switched from 5000 to 1500. No need to make such an obvious error. Your Elliott comments miss the point, but just contradict that there was some arbitrary, massive shift to an EPO era in 1987-1988, rather you should come to grips with the other glory day Brits being washed up.

Anyhow for Komen, it’s a matter of perspective. Is it more plausible an athlete can start seriously running late and progress rapidly. Or a 24-25 year-old athlete (Katir, Nordas) suddenly become close to best in the world after seemingly plateauing at an OK national level. Your argument may be right but it should be applied consistently without obvious bias or fanciful assumptions.

He was a 5000/10000 runner. It's like saying Aouita didn't move down from the 5000 to the 800 in 1988 because he was a 5000m runner.

No, you miss the point. I never said there was a massive shift to EPO in 1987. I said that was when it became available, and that was also the year Britain's domination of middle-distance ended. The point was that many here think Britain was running a state sponsored doping programme that produced Coe, Ovett, Cram. If so, it is very odd they appear to have decided not to follow up with EPO.

I don't know what Peter Elliott has to do with any of this - you brought him in.

Please stop derailing my thread.

Let's get back to Brian Komen.

How is it freaking possible that a guy can get down to 3:33 and an altitude 3:35 in less than 12 months after starting running?

Oh, your reputation precedes itself so the downvotes are automatic.

British didn't follow up to EPO after years of emo doping because they were too old and to slow to be competitive even with their proverbial gills!

He ran a domestic 10,000 once a year as an afterthought. His focus was 5,000. I am not your straw-man for that British state-sponsored concept so sorry I miss that self-defense argument you’re making.

Again I am ok with your Komen question. It’d be great to hear more about his full background. We know from Renato his intro to training with a purpose as supported by Kwalia. If he makes the Kenyan team, I bet we will learn a lot more about his early 20s and before, just as Kiptum’s story began to be told before his tragic death. It could be something remarkable — he barely ran at all. It could be something highly unremarkable like he was a hanger-on of a training group, a pacer for someone, or what have you. It'll be interesting to see.

Coevett, the domination of UK runners ended in 1987 not because the EPO taken by african (I say again nobody asked some drug before 2011), but because, instead running under 3'30", British started running near 3'40" (the best British in 2011 was Shane with 3'36"22).

And they started not to be competitive in Marathon not because th doping of african athletes, but because in 2003 the best specialist in all UK was a woman, and nobody was able to run under 2:15:25 (when Steve Jones ran in crazy way 2:07:13 almost 20 years before).

Brian competed during the seasons 2018 - 2022 in cross Country only, so was in training building a high aerobic level, but never ran on track, and never prepared his speed.

Can be similar with the career of Silas Kiplagat. In 2009 he ran in April 3'39"1 in Kakameya, but found a manager who used him for helping Sammy Kitwara. He was aerobically talented, and ran in Tilburg in September in 10 km on road in 28'00".

He started the season 2010 running in 3'40"9 in two different occasions in April, but wanted to run 1500m and came to me, together Collins Cheboi, for training in specific way, after changing management moving to Gianni Demadonna.

With less than 2 months of specific training, was second in National Championships at the end of June in 3'34"28 behind Asbel Kiprop, and after one month, in his first European competition on track, won in Monaco in 3'29"27.

And not forget that, with the new shoes, athletes have advantage of half second per lap, that means 2" compared with 14 years ago.

So, nothing strange for who knows Kenya, and no suspicions of doping, that is the explanation of people not knowing anything.

No idea if Brian was making a joke but apparently in Doha a House of Run podcast listener asked him if he was related to the Daniel Komen and he grinned and said Komen was his uncle. Again no idea if the anecdote is true or if he was serious but pretty great if so.

He just ran 3:28...Coevett

Faster than anyone ever born in the UK, so he must be doping!

So after Munguti failed to get the standard, Komen is running the 1500 in Paris.

Looked up his athlete profile, and it says he's 155cm (5'1") tall. Is it true? How is that possible?