Why are Crossfitters ridiculed?

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- Hating cops is political. Prior to the Democrat push to defund the police none of you lefties even knew what the flag was.

- I didn't say you couldn't compare them I said it's stupid to claim that they aren't the world's fittest athletes because they can't pole vault or run olympic times in specific events.

- You admit that added strength comes with a reduction in speed yet you're mystified by the argument that people who focus mainly on strength shouldn't be directly compared to people who focus solley on speed... lol.

- Decathletes are elite athletes but how many can you name who've ever won a gold medal in one of the 10 events individually? The elites in all 10 events almost always blow the decathletes out of the water. This was part of the relevance of the high school records being brought up but naturally that point was lost on you.

- Watching weightlifting doesn't mean you understand how it works. Does watching Doogie Howser make you an MD?

I can throw farther than most of humanity because I've been throwing my whole life and I have a very good arm. I specified football or baseball because those are the skills I have perfected. There is nothing in Eaton's history that suggests he's good at either of these things. You're still completely incapable of understanding the concept of skill.

By your logic Eddie Hall can hit a gold ball further than anyone on the PGA tour because he's stronger.

Meanwhile, back in non-moron land hitting a golf ball is a SKILL and it doesn't matter how strong you are if you haven't mastered the skill.

Uhhhh, not really. Dan Bailey was a 10.5 guy in his prime. Certainly nowhere near 10.5 in Crossfit shape. Kind of quick? Sure? The first few guys look decent. Then the guys in the back of that race just look bad and sloppy there. I'm positive some CFers could beat me, a washed up middle distance runner, over 100m. The problem is, I'm not even fast in the grand scheme of sports.

You're arguing based on nothing but ego and delusion.

If you were a middle distance runner you were never fast to begin with. If you were you wouldn't have been a middle distance runner.

Bailey ran track in college and there's a 100% chance his PRs are all better than yours.

I said he was faster than me. I know his sprint PRs are better than mine.

But, as you pointed out, preparing for a strength sport tends to bulk you up and slow you down. Is that not true? Dan Bailey is nowhere near 10.5 shape now. What shape is he in? I have zero idea. Looking at that video, it's not crazy impressive speed. My guess would be low 11s.

Hours later and you're still clueless.

"fittest athlete" does not not mean "the best at every event on earth"

Bailey is over 40 now and he can probably still run a low 11 100m You can't.

He can also do 30 muscle ups and you can't do one.

Wow he's unfit!

I can do precisely one muscle up, thank you very much.

He can run 11 low, in his 40s, while not training for track?

You still don't understand how sports or training works, do you? He would have been 4th in the nation with an 11 low at the 2023 usatf masters. 4th in the nation off of training for another sport? Just more cop-loving, crossfit illusions of grandeur.

My takeaway from this thread is that crossfitters are living rent free in the heads of distance runners.

You are truly dense.

Your argument is that cross-fitters are terrible because they aren't the best at any one discipline... and then you point to decathletes to reinforce your point all the while completely oblivious to the fact that decathletes aren't the best at any of their events either.

Crossfitters train for the scoring table set for them by the owners of Crossfit. Their goals are not to become the best they can be, or run a sub-17 5K or whatever, they aim for excellence at a contrived lift or activity, rather than for reality.

It's like the standard is a hand-timed 40, and they're aiming for the 14 yard sprint.

They're goofy and cheat on pull-ups, but are mostly harmless

Another person who has no idea what cross-fit actually is.

Why is throwing a discus non-contrived excellence based in reality while cross-fit events are not??

Functional strength is very useful in actual life. I fail to see how throwing a discus or pole vaulting are useful skills.

What is functional about the clean and jerk or a kipping pullup?

Crossfitters don't bale hay, dig ditches, rivet iron, lay bricks, or finish concrete. The day Crossfitters start doing manual labor they can deserve to call their movements functional. Until then, STFU with that noise.

CrossFit is multi-rep/ multi-set weightlifting with varied aerobic exercise in between the weightlifting sets.

That type of workout allows you to build strength and size while staying lean. That's a worthwhile goal and achievement on par with other sports. It definitely doesn't elevate CrossFit or Crossfitters above other sports or athletes.

Strength is always functional.

Flipping tires and sandbag training and a million other things cross-fitters do is completely functional.

Being well rounded is a good thing.

Maybe is doing a lot of heavy lifting here.

Let's illustrate the point using something the crossfit crowd is very familiar with, the Concept2-formula:

In the case of a heavyweight Olympian the 500m split on the ERG for a 2000m, which is the most commonly raced distance, would be around 1:25.0 (85 secs, 5:40 at 2000). That converts to 570 average watts.

And because the indoor rower ignores the negative aspects of weight (drag), balance (efficiency, steering, power output) and many other technical details, a(n elite, if that's a thing) crossfitter of similar weight could probably do 1:32.5 (92.5 secs, 6:10 at 2000), or about 440 average watts.

That's a 30% performance gap before they even hit the water. And for someone carrying accolades such as "the fittest man on the planet" and who's more than familiar with the exercise, that's a lot. And needless to say, once on the water the gap will increase significantly.

There are two points to be made here:

1. The difference between good and elite is way larger than most people think. At the cutting edge of performance the marginal gains are extremely expensive. At 440 watts, a single extra watt saves you 41% more time than the same extra watt does at 570 watts. In cleartext that means if you're elite and want to become even faster, you have to work so much harder for every 10th of a second. This is why the performance gap between 3:26.00 and 3:27.14 in the 1500m is so unbelievably humongous.

2. Being good at 5 things in adulthood doesn't necessarily mean that your potential ceiling was ever tall in any of those 5 things had you specialized in one of them from childhood.

Crossfitters aren’t well rounded. They are extremely strength biased and pretty much ignore speed and endurance. They don’t do training for any functional endurance like a 8 hour hike or even just a 4 hour bike ride. If I made some event that was like 3 swimming, 3 running, 3 biking, and 1 strength workout and called it was the ultimate test of fitness we would laugh. Cross fit is the same in reverse. In the end we will argue about details about what you prefer. Some 20k obstacle course would be close to my ideal measurement but I also accept they are light on strength work with only some carries and pulls at most of them.

but ignoring that doing technical exercises for time has always felt borderline in terms of development of fitness.

They’re swingers and think Die Hard is a good movie

You better watch it bro, these dudes are special ops...1000 yard stare, scary stuff.