If she was sooo adament that she was clean then do what Peter Bol did and demand a re-test and be prepared to hand over all devices just like Bol was. His second test came back negative. Im sorry but Kenya gets judged and is persecuted and as soon as an American athlete does it they blame some pork burrito that they ate and say they never heard of nandrolone
(I haven't followed every detail of this story.) - But honestly, if I were Ms. Houlihan, - I would have gone straight back to the food-van, maybe with a public notary and a camera-person. - asked for meat samples or buy the items - then have them tested. ALSO, I'd ask for details of where they get their meat. - AND certainly, before too long, have it out with the food-van operator, for selling contaminated meat to everyone. Plus tell the health department. Maybe get a female friend of similar age and size, to eat from the van and see what a drug test comes up with. - and probably sue the van for lost income etc. DID she do any of those things ??? ...or just put all the blame on the 'governing body'. Surely, she should want to govern her own body and not just point fingers. with words and vomit. Has her vomit been tested ? One silver-lining in all this is, that despite the ban, Ms. Houlihan is still free to run as much as she likes - just not in a sanctioned event. (...unless it's the Enhanced Games.)
IF she is innocent, I just hope that Covid sweeps though Paris and the games are delayed until Ms. Houlihan is eligible again. - BUT stay away from them pork-crossoints in 2026 hey Shelbs !!! ...and try for victory in the 1500 menteuse !!
As another poster pointed out, they did hire a private investigater, and bought more burritos and tested them, and also asked for information about the source of their meat and offal. Most athletes would not be able to afford the 6-figure expense.
There is nothing illegal or wrong with selling boar meat in the USA that contains endogenous nandrolone, so there would be nothing to tell the health department, there was no "contaminated" meat, and no basis for any lawsuit.
Any "blame" for the "governing body", and the direction for reform of the WADA Code, is what USADA CEO's Travis Tygart complains against regarding 2015 changes in the WADA Code that places the burden on athletes to investigate the source, which unfairly burdens innocent athletes as collateral damage, in order to make it easier to punish the guilty ones based on presumption alone.
The TD2021NA should also make more clear when its explicit comments regarding pork offal ingestion must be applied, to avoid the ambiguity that reporting the positive as an AAF was both required by the standard (opinion of the majority of the CAS panel), yet deviated from the applicable testing standards (opinion of the minority of the CAS panel). The CAS explained that the WADA Lab has the prerogative to interpret what to report, while later stating that it is not up to the WADA Lab to finally decide the (exogenous/endogenous) origin. It doesn't seem correct that the WADA Lab should have that prerogative arising from an ambuigity in the standard. WADA's intent should be clarified to remove the ambiguity. For an athlete, the difference in reporting is the difference between a 4-year ban, and being flagged for further testing.
I take vitamins. I'm not scared. I eat chicken, too -- sometimes wrapped in a tortilla. My bravery astounds me, and I'm just a 45-year old man with 2 kids who only manages to run about 25 miles a week these days.
I should get off this message board and write about my vitamin courage on Strava. My followers will think I am a hero.
(I haven't followed every detail of this story.) - But honestly, if I were Ms. Houlihan, - I would have gone straight back to the food-van, maybe with a public notary and a camera-person. - asked for meat samples or buy the items - then have them tested. ALSO, I'd ask for details of where they get their meat. - AND certainly, before too long, have it out with the food-van operator, for selling contaminated meat to everyone. Plus tell the health department. Maybe get a female friend of similar age and size, to eat from the van and see what a drug test comes up with. - and probably sue the van for lost income etc. DID she do any of those things ??? ...or just put all the blame on the 'governing body'. Surely, she should want to govern her own body and not just point fingers. with words and vomit. Has her vomit been tested ? One silver-lining in all this is, that despite the ban, Ms. Houlihan is still free to run as much as she likes - just not in a sanctioned event. (...unless it's the Enhanced Games.)
IF she is innocent, I just hope that Covid sweeps though Paris and the games are delayed until Ms. Houlihan is eligible again. - BUT stay away from them pork-crossoints in 2026 hey Shelbs !!! ...and try for victory in the 1500 menteuse !!
As another poster pointed out, they did hire a private investigater, and bought more burritos and tested them, and also asked for information about the source of their meat and offal. Most athletes would not be able to afford the 6-figure expense.
There is nothing illegal or wrong with selling boar meat in the USA that contains endogenous nandrolone, so there would be nothing to tell the health department, there was no "contaminated" meat, and no basis for any lawsuit.
Any "blame" for the "governing body", and the direction for reform of the WADA Code, is what USADA CEO's Travis Tygart complains against regarding 2015 changes in the WADA Code that places the burden on athletes to investigate the source, which unfairly burdens innocent athletes as collateral damage, in order to make it easier to punish the guilty ones based on presumption alone.
The TD2021NA should also make more clear when its explicit comments regarding pork offal ingestion must be applied, to avoid the ambiguity that reporting the positive as an AAF was both required by the standard (opinion of the majority of the CAS panel), yet deviated from the applicable testing standards (opinion of the minority of the CAS panel). The CAS explained that the WADA Lab has the prerogative to interpret what to report, while later stating that it is not up to the WADA Lab to finally decide the (exogenous/endogenous) origin. It doesn't seem correct that the WADA Lab should have that prerogative arising from an ambuigity in the standard. WADA's intent should be clarified to remove the ambiguity. For an athlete, the difference in reporting is the difference between a 4-year ban, and being flagged for further testing.
...good to hear from a food-van operator. - may you and your clients all enjoy endogenous nandrolone-infused boar meat, until the boars come home. Seems odd that some has nandrolone and some doesn't, but I'll take your word for it that the quality of the boar is the same across the board.
Makes me think of something...perhaps it's been said before. ...but with Carl Lewis frequently declaring himself a vegan for at least the second part of his career - it kind of LOWERS a red flag...because if he was on steroids etc, he's eliminated the fairly well-used blame-meat, excuse.
Just on Carl and 'drugs' ...I always found it so ironic that he apparently had those small amounts of ingredients found in cold-medicine in him at the 1988 trials. ...and then in 1992 he had a cold ...and despite being world record holder...didn't make the 100 team or the 200. - yet proved later that year and at the Olympics that he was in fine form and the cold was probably real. - hence...IF he'd taken medicine in the days prior to the trials 100 ...WOULD he have been in the top 3 after all ????? ...but he probably didn't...obviously because of drug-testing.
(I haven't followed every detail of this story.) - But honestly, if I were Ms. Houlihan, - I would have gone straight back to the food-van, maybe with a public notary and a camera-person. - asked for meat samples or buy the items - then have them tested. ALSO, I'd ask for details of where they get their meat. - AND certainly, before too long, have it out with the food-van operator, for selling contaminated meat to everyone. Plus tell the health department. Maybe get a female friend of similar age and size, to eat from the van and see what a drug test comes up with. - and probably sue the van for lost income etc. DID she do any of those things ??? ...or just put all the blame on the 'governing body'. Surely, she should want to govern her own body and not just point fingers. with words and vomit. Has her vomit been tested ? One silver-lining in all this is, that despite the ban, Ms. Houlihan is still free to run as much as she likes - just not in a sanctioned event. (...unless it's the Enhanced Games.)
IF she is innocent, I just hope that Covid sweeps though Paris and the games are delayed until Ms. Houlihan is eligible again. - BUT stay away from them pork-crossoints in 2026 hey Shelbs !!! ...and try for victory in the 1500 menteuse !!
As another poster pointed out, they did hire a private investigater, and bought more burritos and tested them, and also asked for information about the source of their meat and offal. Most athletes would not be able to afford the 6-figure expense.
There is nothing illegal or wrong with selling boar meat in the USA that contains endogenous nandrolone, so there would be nothing to tell the health department, there was no "contaminated" meat, and no basis for any lawsuit.
Any "blame" for the "governing body", and the direction for reform of the WADA Code, is what USADA CEO's Travis Tygart complains against regarding 2015 changes in the WADA Code that places the burden on athletes to investigate the source, which unfairly burdens innocent athletes as collateral damage, in order to make it easier to punish the guilty ones based on presumption alone.
The TD2021NA should also make more clear when its explicit comments regarding pork offal ingestion must be applied, to avoid the ambiguity that reporting the positive as an AAF was both required by the standard (opinion of the majority of the CAS panel), yet deviated from the applicable testing standards (opinion of the minority of the CAS panel). The CAS explained that the WADA Lab has the prerogative to interpret what to report, while later stating that it is not up to the WADA Lab to finally decide the (exogenous/endogenous) origin. It doesn't seem correct that the WADA Lab should have that prerogative arising from an ambuigity in the standard. WADA's intent should be clarified to remove the ambiguity. For an athlete, the difference in reporting is the difference between a 4-year ban, and being flagged for further testing.
It's so reassuring when you turn up. It confirms that the subject of the thread is undoubtedly a doper.
...good to hear from a food-van operator. - may you and your clients all enjoy endogenous nandrolone-infused boar meat, until the boars come home. Seems odd that some has nandrolone and some doesn't, but I'll take your word for it that the quality of the boar is the same across the board.
Makes me think of something...perhaps it's been said before. ...but with Carl Lewis frequently declaring himself a vegan for at least the second part of his career - it kind of LOWERS a red flag...because if he was on steroids etc, he's eliminated the fairly well-used blame-meat, excuse.
Just on Carl and 'drugs' ...I always found it so ironic that he apparently had those small amounts of ingredients found in cold-medicine in him at the 1988 trials. ...and then in 1992 he had a cold ...and despite being world record holder...didn't make the 100 team or the 200. - yet proved later that year and at the Olympics that he was in fine form and the cold was probably real. - hence...IF he'd taken medicine in the days prior to the trials 100 ...WOULD he have been in the top 3 after all ????? ...but he probably didn't...obviously because of drug-testing.
The USDA regulations on what to do with intact boar carcasses is public information. People eat intact boar meat and organs without any health concerns, but as a percentage of overall pork consumption, it is a comparatively small amount. Outside the USA, many countries do not routinely castrate their pigs. Some even campaign against it for animal cruelty reasons. Hunters will hunt and eat wild boar meat and offal, again with no special health concerns from nandrolone in the intact males. The main issue is that intact boar can smell and taste bad due to boar taint -- it's an economic issue for the farmers and pork industry who don't want to sell, and their customers don't want to buy, pork that smells and tastes bad.
...good to hear from a food-van operator. - may you and your clients all enjoy endogenous nandrolone-infused boar meat, until the boars come home. Seems odd that some has nandrolone and some doesn't, but I'll take your word for it that the quality of the boar is the same across the board.
Makes me think of something...perhaps it's been said before. ...but with Carl Lewis frequently declaring himself a vegan for at least the second part of his career - it kind of LOWERS a red flag...because if he was on steroids etc, he's eliminated the fairly well-used blame-meat, excuse.
Just on Carl and 'drugs' ...I always found it so ironic that he apparently had those small amounts of ingredients found in cold-medicine in him at the 1988 trials. ...and then in 1992 he had a cold ...and despite being world record holder...didn't make the 100 team or the 200. - yet proved later that year and at the Olympics that he was in fine form and the cold was probably real. - hence...IF he'd taken medicine in the days prior to the trials 100 ...WOULD he have been in the top 3 after all ????? ...but he probably didn't...obviously because of drug-testing.
The USDA regulations on what to do with intact boar carcasses is public information. People eat intact boar meat and organs without any health concerns, but as a percentage of overall pork consumption, it is a comparatively small amount. Outside the USA, many countries do not routinely castrate their pigs. Some even campaign against it for animal cruelty reasons. Hunters will hunt and eat wild boar meat and offal, again with no special health concerns from nandrolone in the intact males. The main issue is that intact boar can smell and taste bad due to boar taint -- it's an economic issue for the farmers and pork industry who don't want to sell, and their customers don't want to buy, pork that smells and tastes bad.
None of which has anything to do with Houlihan doping.
Once I ran to you (I ran) Now I run from you This tainted burrito you’ve given I give you all a boy could give you Take my tears and that’s not nearly all Tainted burrito (oh-oh-oh-oh) Tainted burrito Don’t touch me, please I cannot stand the way you tease I love you though you hurt me so Now I’m gonna pack my things and go Tainted burrito (oh-oh-oh-oh) Tainted burrito oh-oh-oh-oh) Tainted burrito oh-oh-oh-oh) Tainted burrito (oh-oh-oh-oh) Touch me, baby, tainted burrito Touch me, baby, tainted burrito Tainted burrito (oh-oh-oh-oh) Tainted burrito (oh-oh-oh-oh) Tainted burrito
If she was sooo adament that she was clean then do what Peter Bol did and demand a re-test and be prepared to hand over all devices just like Bol was. His second test came back negative. Im sorry but Kenya gets judged and is persecuted and as soon as an American athlete does it they blame some pork burrito that they ate and say they never heard of nandrolone
You can't do a retest! That's Absurd. Almost Moranic
A lot of Validity. Trusting Pascal will always come back to hurt you. His journey started in Kenya and learned how to cheat from the best
Pascal is a full blown narcissist. I could see him screwing things up for Shelby. Let’s just hope he doesn’t get overly involved with this Puma group.
I remember when Pascal was in charge of HS running events at Nike and didn’t know how to deal with coaches and kids and Nike had to move him out of that position. Jerry being a nice guy saved his as$ and gave him a babysitter position with his group. We all know how that ended up.
...good to hear from a food-van operator. - may you and your clients all enjoy endogenous nandrolone-infused boar meat, until the boars come home. Seems odd that some has nandrolone and some doesn't, but I'll take your word for it that the quality of the boar is the same across the board.
Makes me think of something...perhaps it's been said before. ...but with Carl Lewis frequently declaring himself a vegan for at least the second part of his career - it kind of LOWERS a red flag...because if he was on steroids etc, he's eliminated the fairly well-used blame-meat, excuse.
Just on Carl and 'drugs' ...I always found it so ironic that he apparently had those small amounts of ingredients found in cold-medicine in him at the 1988 trials. ...and then in 1992 he had a cold ...and despite being world record holder...didn't make the 100 team or the 200. - yet proved later that year and at the Olympics that he was in fine form and the cold was probably real. - hence...IF he'd taken medicine in the days prior to the trials 100 ...WOULD he have been in the top 3 after all ????? ...but he probably didn't...obviously because of drug-testing.
The USDA regulations on what to do with intact boar carcasses is public information. People eat intact boar meat and organs without any health concerns, but as a percentage of overall pork consumption, it is a comparatively small amount. Outside the USA, many countries do not routinely castrate their pigs. Some even campaign against it for animal cruelty reasons. Hunters will hunt and eat wild boar meat and offal, again with no special health concerns from nandrolone in the intact males. The main issue is that intact boar can smell and taste bad due to boar taint -- it's an economic issue for the farmers and pork industry who don't want to sell, and their customers don't want to buy, pork that smells and tastes bad.
'a wild-boar's taint' vs. poor old Ms. Houlihan. - we've all seen photos of both. I can't split either of them.
She cannot come clean without the risk of taking others down with her, ie, other American all time greats.
Exactly. People like Matt Centro and Pascal Dobert. The running world knows the truth and what happened. We also know why certain people left the group when they found out what happened. It’s like Hollywood, No one wants to be the rat.
She is guilty and everyone knows it. Covering for her is a joke and insulting to the system and clean athletes.
The odds that you would be born at tue exact second that your were born are lower than what you calculated above. I guess you must be an AI bot who thinks they are human.
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