Transgender runner wins regionals by over a minute

RunRagged wrote:

But you’re the one who regularly uses these boards to make posts that come off to many others as chock full of hate for the female athletes in these cases.

When there are threads about male athletes being allowed to use gender identity claims to compete, and clean up in, girls’ and women’s sports, you regularly respond by expressing sneering contempt, haughty disdain and cold, callous heartlessness towards the female athletes who are being subjected to this new form of sexist injustice.

In your posts, you routinely put down girls and women who object to the blatant unfairness of this new manifestation of male privilege and male supremacy. You depict female people who dare to speak up as sore losers, bad sports, whiners and selfish, exclusionary bigots. In addition to making us out to be meanies, you look down your nose at us and scold us for having views about biology, sports fairness and women's hard-won rights that you deem backwards, uninformed and outdated.

Men who pipe up about the blatant unfairness you slag off as a bunch of "despicable" bullies whose only possible motivation in your view is "hate" and "trans bashing."

You say that since “there’s so much unfairness in the world” already, everyone should just shut up and put up with the new form of blatantly sexist, male supremacist injustice that's now being heaped on girls and women in the Western world in the name of “trans rights.”

What’s more, on these boards, you’ve continually expressed the extremely snobbish view that people from California, where you live, are more enlightened and advanced than people who live elsewhere - and athletically superior too.

For instance, on this thread, you’ve said that the minor-age teenage girl still in HS who complained about being pushed into second place by the male winner is “awfully lucky she’s competing in Maine” because “in the CA southern section she would be running for 100th” place against athletes of her own sex.

To see examples of "hate for these athletes" on LRC, just look at the misogynistic posts you've made on this thread about a minor-age female athlete deprived of fair competition, and a win, by a strapping male teen who has decided to use gender identity claims to race in the sex category where everyone knows he has an unfair advantage:

#8: There’s so much “unfairness” in the world. Is Ms Williams had run in the D3 section races in the north coast or southern sections of CA she would finish dead last or close to it. So, I guess it’s “unfair” that she lost to Soren, but she’s awfully lucky she’s competing in Maine if place in the race is what matters to her most.

#13 Do you really think Ms Williams would have a remote chance of medaling in the CA SS? A few years back my daughter ran 18:01 in her CA regional meet (sectional meet) and she got 3rd. She was deprived of a gold medal simply because of her zip code. Oh the injustice!!

#18 Ms Williams seems to care about medals rather than her performance against herself and doing the best she can regardless of the competition, so she should count herself lucky she lives in Maine regardless if she has to race Soren. I’m sorry you don’t see the absurdity of this controversy, but I sure do.

#19 Ms Williams had to “run for 2nd” in this race. So what? In the CA southern section she would be running for 100th against girls. Would she feel better in that scenario? The real lesson of all this is being missed in the midst of a lot of trans bashing.

Caller of spades wrote:

kiltedrunner wrote:

"Ugh. I was being sarcastic"- well yes, obviously, but a term like 'outdated' implies public perception of a topic- and the public (minus a few blue haired extremists) are very much on her side.

A boxer can objectively change weight. They can't change sex. Noone can change sex. If they could change sex then your analogy would make sense. But they can't so it doesn't. What you are in fact advocating for is a 210lb heavyweight boxer who strongly feels like he is a flyweight to fight against flyweights.

I guess this is the point of contention where we can never hope to move beyond. You say that you can’t change sex, I say you can. I am not advocating for boxers to say they “feel” a certain weight. You made that up.

Your whole argument against transgender participation in sports is that transgenderism does not exist. I get it. For the sake of consistency, do you also feel that transgender people should use the bathroom of their birth-assigned sex? Would you say, “I’m not denying you the right to use a bathroom. Im just saying you are male, so you have to use the male bathroom.”

Wise Old Man wrote:

RunRagged wrote:

But you’re the one who regularly uses these boards to make posts that come off to many others as chock full of hate for the female athletes in these cases.

When there are threads about male athletes being allowed to use gender identity claims to compete, and clean up in, girls’ and women’s sports, you regularly respond by expressing sneering contempt, haughty disdain and cold, callous heartlessness towards the female athletes who are being subjected to this new form of sexist injustice.

In your posts, you routinely put down girls and women who object to the blatant unfairness of this new manifestation of male privilege and male supremacy. You depict female people who dare to speak up as sore losers, bad sports, whiners and selfish, exclusionary bigots. In addition to making us out to be meanies, you look down your nose at us and scold us for having views about biology, sports fairness and women's hard-won rights that you deem backwards, uninformed and outdated.

Men who pipe up about the blatant unfairness you slag off as a bunch of "despicable" bullies whose only possible motivation in your view is "hate" and "trans bashing."

You say that since “there’s so much unfairness in the world” already, everyone should just shut up and put up with the new form of blatantly sexist, male supremacist injustice that's now being heaped on girls and women in the Western world in the name of “trans rights.”

What’s more, on these boards, you’ve continually expressed the extremely snobbish view that people from California, where you live, are more enlightened and advanced than people who live elsewhere - and athletically superior too.

For instance, on this thread, you’ve said that the minor-age teenage girl still in HS who complained about being pushed into second place by the male winner is “awfully lucky she’s competing in Maine” because “in the CA southern section she would be running for 100th” place against athletes of her own sex.

To see examples of "hate for these athletes" on LRC, just look at the misogynistic posts you've made on this thread about a minor-age female athlete deprived of fair competition, and a win, by a strapping male teen who has decided to use gender identity claims to race in the sex category where everyone knows he has an unfair advantage:

#8: There’s so much “unfairness” in the world. Is Ms Williams had run in the D3 section races in the north coast or southern sections of CA she would finish dead last or close to it. So, I guess it’s “unfair” that she lost to Soren, but she’s awfully lucky she’s competing in Maine if place in the race is what matters to her most.

#13 Do you really think Ms Williams would have a remote chance of medaling in the CA SS? A few years back my daughter ran 18:01 in her CA regional meet (sectional meet) and she got 3rd. She was deprived of a gold medal simply because of her zip code. Oh the injustice!!

#18 Ms Williams seems to care about medals rather than her performance against herself and doing the best she can regardless of the competition, so she should count herself lucky she lives in Maine regardless if she has to race Soren. I’m sorry you don’t see the absurdity of this controversy, but I sure do.

#19 Ms Williams had to “run for 2nd” in this race. So what? In the CA southern section she would be running for 100th against girls. Would she feel better in that scenario? The real lesson of all this is being missed in the midst of a lot of trans bashing.

You clearly believe that supporting trans rights equates to hatred of women or misogyny or whatever you call it. I think that worldview is wrong. I also think it’s absurd to view transness as a manifestation of male privilege. Further, I categorically reject your worldview that bestowing rights on one group means depriving another group of their rights. This thinking is the foundation of the white grievance mentality. Human rights are not a zero sum game. I think smart people who don’t stake out extreme positions can come up with rules and systems that try to achieve justice for everybody. In the case of athletics, to me, staking out the position that somebody born male can never compete as a girl or woman in any event at any level of competition is an extreme one. That this view is downvoted so eagerly and often on these boards, I find sad.

runn wrote:

jkjkjjjjlll wrote:

Transgender runner who competed last year on the boys team wins Maine regionals by a minute and a half. One of the girls who placed lower as a result spoke out in the article below. Allowing this is so discouraging and unfair to young female athletes.

Winthrop senior Haley Williams, the runner-up as a sophomore and junior, finished third in 20:59.11.
Williams said she knew second place would be her best possible finish this year, “because as you probably know there is a runner that identifies as female, and they were running the boys’ race last year, and they decided to run the girls’ race this year. And it’s really, it’s very upsetting to me because I’ve worked my butt off all year.”

Link:www.pressherald.com/2023/10/21/transge...

I'm guessing that in high school there is no hormone therapy going on. Is this just simply a boy who says I'm a girl?

In 1976 I was an 11th grade boy running 2:00 for 800. I rarely won races. If I identified as a girl I would have had a shot at making the Olympic Team.

It's just not as simple as saying I'm a girl.

And notice- you never see girls who identify as boys in the boy's race.

I think this has to be addressed. It's not fair to biological girls that they have to compete against a biological boy who's only change is his name from Michael to Michelle.